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3 hours ago, Alf Pogs said:

I could find stacks of cels cheap in Japan Town all the time so I thought maybe this stuff is all over Japan like trading cards.  xD

 

any time someone brings up cels, I have to remind them that... 24 frames a second... times 60 seconds in a minute... times 22 minutes an episode... times X episodes a season (let's say 20)... times Y seasons (let's say 8)... the amount of cels produced for the average cartoon series is mind boggling.    In our example that math works out to 5 *million*.      For ONE series.    They are everywhere for a reason!

*I'm sure 5 million is overstating it a little, because not every second of every episode has 24 frames a second.    So let's divide by 5 to be conservative.

Leaves one million even.   Rare!!

(The Akira movie alone, which was what, 90 minutes (?) used 100,000 cels.   So one million cels for 160 episodes of a regular cartoon without the high production values of Akira?    Probably not unreasonable).

 

In addition, there are lots of "limited edition cels" of say 500, which I understand to be basically slapped together recreations not used in production.      "Hand painted" (hem) but in an edition of that size and with art of such low complexity... more like a print than anything.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Bronty said:

24 frames a second

Definitely! I just figured there HAD to be something with the volume printed weekly over there. :devil: 

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Fair point!   

But it just doesn't seem to happen.   Its mind boggling.

Maybe part of the issue is that the art everyone wants is from the successful artists?    In a culture where selling art makes you look like a failure, the successful guys would never sell anything although the unsuccessful might... but we don't really care about those or even inquire.

Here in NA though, the minute these guys croak there would be a fire sale.   Doesn't happen over there.   The estates hang on to it even.

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Insane stacks these guys must have.  Watched a video of Ikegami still cranking out pages at 70.

2 hours ago, Bronty said:

The estates hang on to it even.

Get on a plane Felix and shake some loose!  :headbang:

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On 3/19/2018 at 8:41 PM, skrilla1212 said:

Am I the only one dying to know what the piece Felix bought for $6k that was the subject of the 2nd half of the podcast? :bigsmile:

I don't think it was mentioned, probably out of Felix being a classy (and savvy) guy, but color me intrigued.

I had actually told Andy about it privately before, when the offer was made, so he knows the piece. I didn't feel it was necessary to talk about it specifically on the podcast; it's more the idea of not wanting to sell out of strong (and possibly irrational) attachment, whatever the piece may be.

If I ever see you at a show though, remind me of this and I'll tell you, too.

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2 hours ago, Bronty said:

Fair point!   

But it just doesn't seem to happen.   Its mind boggling.

Maybe part of the issue is that the art everyone wants is from the successful artists?    In a culture where selling art makes you look like a failure, the successful guys would never sell anything although the unsuccessful might... but we don't really care about those or even inquire.

Here in NA though, the minute these guys croak there would be a fire sale.   Doesn't happen over there.   The estates hang on to it even.

In many cases, the publisher owns the physical art. So long as they're going concerns, it's unlikely that art is sold, either.

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26 minutes ago, Alf Pogs said:

Insane stacks these guys must have.  Watched a video of Ikegami still cranking out pages at 70.

Get on a plane Felix and shake some loose!  :headbang:

Through an entirely different hobby, I met Ikegami's top assistant many years ago. He gave me the insider's scoop on the manga industry. It was quite an education. A key takeaway being that any thoughts of acquiring high-profile original manga art were a pipe dream.

(Some Ikegami trivia: He was a big fan of Neal Adams. Also, even by that point, he was mostly just filling in the faces on the art. An assembly line of assistants handled the rest.)

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3 hours ago, Nexus said:

I had actually told Andy about it privately before, when the offer was made, so he knows the piece. I didn't feel it was necessary to talk about it specifically on the podcast; it's more the idea of not wanting to sell out of strong (and possibly irrational) attachment, whatever the piece may be.

If I ever see you at a show though, remind me of this and I'll tell you, too.

If it's on your CAF (and we know from your story that it at least was), it can really only be one or two pieces by process of elimination! 

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7 hours ago, Nexus said:

In many cases, the publisher owns the physical art. So long as they're going concerns, it's unlikely that art is sold, either.

Yes and that just underlined the differences between here and there because here the companies for whom illustrations are commissioned don’t give a $&@! once the product is released.    There they have everything from decades ago under lock and key

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7 hours ago, delekkerste said:

If it's on your CAF (and we know from your story that it at least was), it can really only be one or two pieces by process of elimination! 

I wonder if it still is though, to my eye nothing posted in 2009 lines up. (Maybe late 2008, YTLM #1 cover?) And we know "everything" isn't up there because Felix has at least one Dalrymple Wrenchies but no Wrenchies on his CAF. It's a closed room murder mystery!

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9 hours ago, delekkerste said:

If it's on your CAF (and we know from your story that it at least was), it can really only be one or two pieces by process of elimination! 

Just took a look. My guess: The Neal Adams cover

(Possibly Aliens poster, but that one likely wouldn't have the other sales comps mentioned.)

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2 hours ago, J.Sid said:

 

Just took a look. My guess: The Neal Adams cover

(Possibly Aliens poster, but that one likely wouldn't have the other sales comps mentioned.)

I'm not sure he wouldn't have sold that cover for $70K. :flipbait:

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On 3/22/2018 at 6:54 PM, J.Sid said:

 

Just took a look. My guess: The Neal Adams cover

(Possibly Aliens poster, but that one likely wouldn't have the other sales comps mentioned.)

I looked too and tried sluething. That we all have different guesses is what makes it fun. My guess based on what was divulged:

-was posted ~2009 or earlier

- was purchased for $6k. 

-had no real comps at the time.

-has someone at least two people (Felix and prospective buyer) who think it’s the bees knees

-has had a comp come out (I think $50k, but I didn’t re-listen, not look at archives).

Anyway, it’s fun to speculate. Hopefully harmlessly. My guess would be the Y the last man cover. I can see how that would be “priceless” to fans of the series and not really have any comps.

Felix- I’ll try and catch you at a con as suggested to ask, and say thanks for the podcast and content you provide the hobby!

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23 hours ago, skrilla1212 said:

I looked too and tried sluething. That we all have different guesses is what makes it fun. My guess based on what was divulged:

-was posted ~2009 or earlier

- was purchased for $6k. 

-had no real comps at the time.

-has someone at least two people (Felix and prospective buyer) who think it’s the bees knees

-has had a comp come out (I think $50k, but I didn’t re-listen, not look at archives).

Anyway, it’s fun to speculate. Hopefully harmlessly. My guess would be the Y the last man cover. I can see how that would be “priceless” to fans of the series and not really have any comps.

Speculate away! Again, I don't think it's so important to know the piece, it's more about the idea. But mostly, I suspect most (if not all) of you would consider me an insufficiently_thoughtful_person if you knew!

23 hours ago, skrilla1212 said:

Felix- I’ll try and catch you at a con as suggested to ask, and say thanks for the podcast and content you provide the hobby!

Thanks for the kinds words and you're welcome!

Newest addition to the site is a weekly chat that anyone can join. I plan on having artists and collectors as guest co-hosts from time to time. So anyone who isn't able to make it to shows can at least have some interaction with artists and fellow collectors via the chats. Here's the link:

http://www.felixcomicart.com/chats.asp

You may catch a boardie or two...stay tuned!

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I think you told me which piece it was in a pm once... amazing offer.    But good on you for holding onto it, show's you're the right owner for it!

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On 3/21/2018 at 10:03 PM, Nexus said:

Through an entirely different hobby, I met Ikegami's top assistant many years ago. He gave me the insider's scoop on the manga industry. It was quite an education. A key takeaway being that any thoughts of acquiring high-profile original manga art were a pipe dream.

(Some Ikegami trivia: He was a big fan of Neal Adams. Also, even by that point, he was mostly just filling in the faces on the art. An assembly line of assistants handled the rest.)

I was at Ikegami's Spotlight Panel at SDCC a long time ago and he spoke of his admiration for Neal Adams. 

Found this fascinating program on Youtube where mangaka Naoki Urasawa visits Ryoichi Ikegami. We get to see Ikegami draw several faces and they talk about his work. Urasawa Naoki no Manben: Ikegami Ryoichi (S3E1, 2016) [english subs]

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