New podcast/video from Felix Comic Art (UPDATED 1/3/17!)
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13 minutes ago, Nexus said:

Thanks!

And thanks to everyone for their support of the show.

Here's a piece I just posted to CAF that came courtesy of Todd from a while back. I'm a big Dan Clowes fan; the truly great pieces have been elusive. Which is OK, I've been very happy with the pages I've gotten (and actually prefer those to covers, in most cases). But no way could I pass this up. Priced for that one buyer...I guess that was me. Was worth it, though, now I can say I'm done. Thanks Todd.

 

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I don't love it but I really, really like it. That just means I wouldn't have paid the price, which is as it should be. There are select other Clowes that I desire much, much more and I suspect that priced-for-one price would be for me. Listening, I was wondering what piece you got and I'm really happy you chose to share!

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On 10/23/2018 at 7:10 AM, Nexus said:
Support the show by leaving a rating and review on iTunes. We'll have a bonus episode out very soon just for iTunes reviewers with the inimitable Gene Park. We're glad to be back, thanks for listening!

I finally got around to leaving a review.  A bit late, I know.  What steps do I need to take to make sure I get the bonus episodes when they come out?

Mike

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2 hours ago, Nexus said:

I've decided to make the formerly exclusive episode with Gene available to all...and it's now up!

Very kind of you. Some of us flat out boycott Apple and cannot upvote or whatever on iTunes, even though we would otherwise based on the excellent on-topic output you produce.

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I don't know...sounds like more pessimism and lamenting (whining?) about "new blood" (which apparently doesn't count unless you go on CAF and "make a splash") and that no one younger than 45 will ever appreciate Barry Windsor Effing Smith.  Not very interesting to listen to, I turned it off with 57 minutes remaining.  I'm sorry you older guys on here think your hobby is imploding.  I happen to disagree.  There will always be changes in taste, but I also heartily believe that over time the cream of this art form will rise and people even younger than myself can appreciate the Barry Windsor Smiths (or insert artist working prior to 1990) of the world.

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11 minutes ago, Andahaion said:

I don't know...sounds like more pessimism and lamenting (whining?) about "new blood" (which apparently doesn't count unless you go on CAF and "make a splash") and that no one younger than 45 will ever appreciate Barry Windsor Effing Smith.  Not very interesting to listen to, I turned it off with 57 minutes remaining.  I'm sorry you older guys on here think your hobby is imploding.  I happen to disagree.  There will always be changes in taste, but I also heartily believe that over time the cream of this art form will rise and people even younger than myself can appreciate the Barry Windsor Smiths (or insert artist working prior to 1990) of the world.

Fair enough but...will "new" blood be willing to cash out "old" blood for the anticipated roi that the rest of the hobby is/will experience above cola? A number of us doubt that, I'm sure Gene does too. Otherwise, who wouldn't take any BWS for $100...right? But that's not the question.

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48 minutes ago, vodou said:

Some of us flat out boycott Apple

I don't even have a smartphone.  I also missed out on the Albert Moy exclusive.

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36 minutes ago, vodou said:

Fair enough but...will "new" blood be willing to cash out "old" blood for the anticipated roi that the rest of the hobby is/will experience above cola? A number of us doubt that, I'm sure Gene does too. Otherwise, who wouldn't take any BWS for $100...right? But that's not the question.

Yes, if feels as this board certainly leans one way on that question, but no one really knows do they?  I've asserted that I believe this "hobby"' will move into more of a fine art situation...maybe not exactly the same animal, but something similar.  And who really knows what kind of lens history will view all these funny book artists we enjoy.  In the short term, the board could be right, but again in the long term I think this hobby matures well.  I know that's maybe not a great response, but I don't want to get into writing a treatise on an online board.

@delekkerste I re-read my initial post and used some language that I would not otherwise (certainly not in person).  My tone was overly harsh, and I apologize.  I was hungry and on the way to lunch when I got all worked up.  I dislike to use an excuse, but I do love art (comic or otherwise) and can get a bit sideways at times.

 

EDIT: I'll also add that I'd love to own a lot of that stuff, but prices being what they are I have to stay disciplined as OA is not my only "hobby".

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5 minutes ago, Andahaion said:

I've asserted that I believe this "hobby"' will move into more of a fine art situation...maybe not exactly the same animal, but something similar.  And who really knows what kind of lens history will view all these funny book artists we enjoy.  In the short term, the board could be right, but again in the long term I think this hobby matures well.  I know that's maybe not a great response, but I don't want to get into writing a treatise on an online board.    @delekkerste

Okay but what do you think will happen to the prices of bad art (lacking a universally popular aesthetic), that which is beloved by a certain bandwidth of fans (aged 9-14 when the books came out) on a pure nostalgia basis but which has no other support outside that band? We'll all have our own examples of "bad" but instead let's leave it vague and I'd like to know if you think non-nostalgic outside of comics altogether would have any interest in that material, at any price? Do I have this wrong, are you thinking there will be no "bad" comic art if the future you see and/or hope for? This btw is not a poke-jab but speaks instead to the possibility of certain comic oa being regarded the way fine art has, sort of, accepted self-taught, naive, Sunday painter, folk and other "lacking a universally popular aesthetic" categories.

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 I think it's great to hear this type of discussion. The good thing that I always seem to hear on Felix's podcast is the helpfulness and guidance that many collectors in the hobby have received from the older generation. I think veterans engaging with younger collectors and remembering that there is a learning curve will help to keep the hobby strong. I had no idea what the significance of 'Master Race' was when it popped up on Heritage other than the fact that it was a complete EC story. However, I probably wouldn't want to engage with you if you looked down upon me for that fact or if I confused it with DKIII. Anyone collecting today has probably worked their way back in time from wherever there childhood was. That happens when there is a good community where the more experienced continue to engage with both peers and the next generation rather than being insular. The chain will continue if it is continued. 

Thanks Gene for doing that,  it was very informative for me. Also, very much enjoyed listening to Lambert. His commentary is always well grounded and 'real'. Seems to me him and Felix are the prototypes for the types of veteran collectors this hobby needs to stay vibrant. 

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16 minutes ago, Andahaion said:

@delekkerste I re-read my initial post and used some language that I would not otherwise (certainly not in person).  My tone was overly harsh, and I apologize.  I was hungry and on the way to lunch when I got all worked up.  I dislike to use an excuse, but I do love art (comic or otherwise) and can get a bit sideways at times.

 

EDIT: I'll also add that I'd love to own a lot of that stuff, but prices being what they are I have to stay disciplined as OA is not my only "hobby".

(thumbsu

No worries.  I feel that, if I didn't get a lot of push back from the under-40 set on this podcast, then I probably didn't get my point across. lol  I think some of what I said could be classified as "intentionally provocative". :devil:  And yet, while I was definitely painting with a broad brush, I think there's a lot of truth there as well.  I think it was meant to be less lamenting that a lot of art and artists are falling out of favor, and more just acknowledging the fact that, for better or worse, it is happening.  And, if this is happening, maybe a lot of the other things that the consensus in the hobby takes for granted as being a permanent state of affairs might actually be subject to generational/demographic changes over time as well... hm 

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1 hour ago, Andahaion said:

I'm sorry you older guys on here think your hobby is imploding.

Some context that may help:

For many, many years, the predominant sentiment on these boards was to treat the hobby as a modern-day gold rush. Those OA bulls had the loudest voices. Gene was one of the very few to push back against that. Hard. (Both sides tended toward extremism back then, it's a lot more measured these days.)

It's not so much pessimism, or thinking that the hobby is imploding, than simply providing a counterpoint. It's easy to fall into the trap of believing that the market will only go up, since that's all it's ever done. There are still those who will push that angle. Just trying to give folks something more to consider.

Ironically, the two most vocal bulls back then (to my recollection), have largely cashed out since, and aren't around here much anymore. Meanwhile, Gene jumped in with both feet and grew his collection to insane proportions. So...take it all with a grain of salt. Not worth getting worked up over. Just enjoy the hobby to the extent of your own personal comfort level. Which, btw, is my collecting goal for 2019. As it's been for every year since I've been in this hobby.

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On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 6:11 PM, Nexus said:

Thanks!

And thanks to everyone for their support of the show.

Here's a piece I just posted to CAF that came courtesy of Todd from a while back. I'm a big Dan Clowes fan; the truly great pieces have been elusive. Which is OK, I've been very happy with the pages I've gotten (and actually prefer those to covers, in most cases). But no way could I pass this up. Priced for that one buyer...I guess that was me. Was worth it, though, now I can say I'm done. Thanks Todd.

 

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Is it a young Guy Verhofstadt (Belgian MEP)?

Sorry . . .  

 

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15 minutes ago, vodou said:

Okay but what do you think will happen to the prices of bad art (lacking a universally popular aesthetic), that which is beloved by a certain bandwidth of fans (aged 9-14 when the books came out) on a pure nostalgia basis but which has no other support outside that band?

Fortunately, all of us can see the answer to this question, now, and not via a crystal ball, but, the aluminosilicate screen...

The majority of what I would call 'bad' art, and their current 'bad' asking prices, can be viewed on your favorite original comic book art dealer(s) web sites...

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I'm pretty sure Felix used an audio filter on Gene's voice, I've spoken with Gene and he doesn't have that deep Barry White-like vocal timbre in real life :shy:

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18 hours ago, vodou said:

Okay but what do you think will happen to the prices of bad art (lacking a universally popular aesthetic), that which is beloved by a certain bandwidth of fans (aged 9-14 when the books came out) on a pure nostalgia basis but which has no other support outside that band? We'll all have our own examples of "bad" but instead let's leave it vague and I'd like to know if you think non-nostalgic outside of comics altogether would have any interest in that material, at any price? Do I have this wrong, are you thinking there will be no "bad" comic art if the future you see and/or hope for? This btw is not a poke-jab but speaks instead to the possibility of certain comic oa being regarded the way fine art has, sort of, accepted self-taught, naive, Sunday painter, folk and other "lacking a universally popular aesthetic" categories.

Good morning, Vodou.  I did not intend to give the impression that I think there is no "bad" art, or that there wouldn't be in the future.  In fact I think quite the opposite.  I'd say the vast majority of stories/art out there are average at best (the same in the fine art world where its really the top 1% of the 1% that mislead people into thinking there is money everywhere).  In your example, I'd expect the value to not be there after nostalgia runs its course.  But, in my mind that's miles away from BWS being worth $100 (and I recognize that was hyperbole to prove a point), and where I also take great exception to the thought that young collectors cannot get into BWS (again just as an example, as there are many similarly situated artists one could use here).  We're going to have art history classes in this stuff.  Museums are opening and high dollar auction results are attracting attention (I'm a good example of that).  Plus, I just believe in this stuff.  I believe in art and the expression, creativity, and impact the medium has had and will continue to have.

Grandma Moses comes to my mind, but I cannot think of an OA equivalent off the top of my head.  I'd suspect we don't know the OA Grandma Moses yet.

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1 hour ago, Andahaion said:

I'd suspect we don't know the OA Grandma Moses yet

Oh please no.... :tonofbricks: Grandma Moses is a running joke in my house. My wife shudders every time we see one at an auction preview. "How is she famous? HOW?!" lol

I think the biggest takeaway from this recent episode, and one that seems to be in line with our own recent OA sales, is that there are many new buyers/collectors, but they SEEM to be 40+. They're reinvigorated by the films, digital availability, slab collecting, or just the headline-grabbing prices. I also think the all-OA-all-the-time availability of art has really picked up a lot of new eyes. But, by and large, they're not under 40.

I walked into a LCS while visiting family in another state last month and asked if they had any OA and there was a 5-minute discussion between multiple clerks about what I was even asking for. "Do you mean sketch covers?" They didn't even know one could buy OA. Have they never even walked into an Artist Alley?

For purposes of demographic research, I'm going to admit that as much as I know about comic art and illustration art and even 19th and 20th century salon and realism, I had never heard of Master Race before the auction. :sorry:

I find it interesting that generic 70s Marvel covers were called out. I've said in the past that I think Bronze will be the first to fall off, and I've thought interiors would go first. But maybe they are still close enough to their floor. Maybe the covers have farther to fall.

Btw, Gene needs to record some audio books -- "Baby, go to sleep" or something...

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3 hours ago, chromium said:

I'm pretty sure Felix used an audio filter on Gene's voice, I've spoken with Gene and he doesn't have that deep Barry White-like vocal timbre in real life :shy:

 

10 minutes ago, BCarter27 said:

Btw, Gene needs to record some audio books -- "Baby, go to sleep" or something...

lol 

I just listened to a snippet of the podcast...it sounds a bit different from my regular voice because it was recorded while I was recovering from a bad cold.  But, my regular speaking voice is pretty deep. :shy: 

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