I like pie Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, fastballspecial said: Come on they printed these books to death. High grade is out there no one is going to convince me it isn't. I still run into entire long boxes of this book. Collectors were storing these books and still have them stored. Money will bring them out. Absolutely. Even that one I sold on ebay should bring out a few more. Still, if they are stored in the polys all these years, it won't be a flood of 9.8s. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue14 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Sadly enough I don’t have a copy... would like one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 All of my copies have a color breaking crease down the book. I counted 5 with that damn crease. No press is gonna help that But thats just from the ones I saw at home, I prolly have 20-30 more in storage if not more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastballspecial Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Aweandlorder said: All of my copies have a color breaking crease down the book. I counted 5 with that damn crease. No press is gonna help that But thats just from the ones I saw at home, I prolly have 20-30 more in storage if not more I see that as well on many copies, but I have also ran across boxes of stored copies that look completely untouched. The numbers will bear this out. If you got 9.8s cash out now once speculators find blood in the water the price will fall. This book is everywhere. Everybody had copies. The only book that I would argue more on was X-Men 1. Maybe the 2nd print might be worth looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 37 minutes ago, fastballspecial said: I see that as well on many copies, but I have also ran across boxes of stored copies that look completely untouched. The numbers will bear this out. If you got 9.8s cash out now once speculators find blood in the water the price will fall. This book is everywhere. Everybody had copies. The only book that I would argue more on was X-Men 1. Maybe the 2nd print might be worth looking at. Correct, and nothing should be able to change that story. It'll be interesting to see if people try... Also, you can add Spider-man #1 to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 X-force 1 having a defect and not scoring 9.8 often is old old news. The last time I heard about this was 2 years on fb. Then earlier this year on some speculator site. The response of people challenging the notion that 9.8 could fetch big bucks was ALWAYS that there are millions of copies out there. Yet time has passed and the census hasn't changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aweandlorder Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Here are screenshots of the census from today vs May this year More books were subd yet no real change with 9.8 And thats not factoring in pre-screen amounts ygogolak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Aweandlorder said: X-force 1 having a defect and not scoring 9.8 often is old old news. The last time I heard about this was 2 years on fb. Then earlier this year on some speculator site. The response of people challenging the notion that 9.8 could fetch big bucks was ALWAYS that there are millions of copies out there. Yet time has passed and the census hasn't changed If the book retains any value over the next, say, nine to eighteen months, then you should be able to get a good idea of how hard it will be to get a 9.8 by only looking at the census data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, SquareChaos said: If the book retains any value over the next, say, nine to eighteen months, then you should be able to get a good idea of how hard it will be to get a 9.8 by only looking at the census data. Why should I speculate about the future when that speculative mind set is already proven to be wrong considering the recent 2 sales of 200.00? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Just now, Aweandlorder said: Why should I speculate about the future when that speculative mind set is already proven to be wrong considering the recent 2 sales of 200.00? Notice I said "by only looking at census data"... which is the data you posted. The other option is to go try and flip some books by submitting a bunch of them yourself. Someone might buy them, there is a sucker born every minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 minute ago, SquareChaos said: Notice I said "by only looking at census data"... which is the data you posted. The other option is to go try and flip some books by submitting a bunch of them yourself. Someone might buy them, there is a sucker born every minute. Census data shows that about 6-7 percent are 9.8. Thats a pretty low number. Why are they suckers for paying 200? JollyComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Just now, Aweandlorder said: Census data shows that about 6-7 percent are 9.8. Thats a pretty low number. Why are they suckers for paying 200? I'll be convinced that is true when I know that the people who have a clue about what they're doing are the ones submitting them... which may happen now if they think they can sell them for $200 each. Nearly half of the books sent in to be graded came out as 9.0 or lower - who do you think submitted those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Just now, SquareChaos said: I'll be convinced that is true when I know that the people who have a clue about what they're doing are the ones submitting them... which may happen now if they think they can sell them for $200 each. Nearly half of the books sent in to be graded came out as 9.0 or lower - who do you think submitted those? As I pointed earlier - this has been discussed THOROUGHLY on social media and spec sites (cough cough cbsi). This is a well known issue. There is awareness The amount of books submitted in just the 6 months period prove that that 9.8 ratio has NOT changed The recent 2 sales provided by a baordie prove that this IS sought after What more proof do you need about this spec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Just now, Aweandlorder said: As I pointed earlier - this has been discussed THOROUGHLY on social media and spec sites (cough cough cbsi). This is a well known issue. There is awareness The amount of books submitted in just the 6 months period prove that that 9.8 ratio has NOT changed The recent 2 sales provided by a baordie prove that this IS sought after What more proof do you need about this spec? I never said it is easy or hard to get a 9.8... not sure why you're pushing this point so much. All I'm saying is anyone submitting a modern and getting back 9.0 and worse doesn't know what they're doing RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Just now, SquareChaos said: I never said it is easy or hard to get a 9.8... not sure why you're pushing this point so much. All I'm saying is anyone submitting a modern and getting back 9.0 and worse doesn't know what they're doing How would you know that all books submitted were by newbs? What if there were hundreds of 9.8 pre-screen reject subs added to those census numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Notice that the sig 9.8 bracket hasnt changed at all in the past 6 months. Which leads me to believe (if I was to assume anything) that most universal submissions were indeed pre-screened at 9.8 (since that number actually did grow by 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Aweandlorder said: How would you know that all books submitted were by newbs? What if there were hundreds of 9.8 pre-screen reject subs added to those census numbers? I'm not sure I follow what you're asking me there. I'm not real sure what else to say about my own thoughts on this topic. I can't speak more authoritatively since I haven't tried to sub a bunch of X-Force #1, so I can only go by what the data seems to suggest to me and make an educated guess from that. Is the book a tough 9.8? No idea personally, but I have no problem taking the word of someone that has actually subbed their own 9.8 candidates. Just looking at the data though... it isn't quite a 1:2 ratio of 9.8 to 9.6, but it's close, and that doesn't seem too overly terrible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, SquareChaos said: ....so I can only go by what the data seems to suggest to me .... .... Is the book a tough 9.8? YES SquareChaos and JollyComics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Just now, Aweandlorder said: YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
