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Jaydogrules, thanks for the research. Very helpful info.

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The original 14x20 painting of this DKIII cover by Dell'otto is now for sale for 15,000 euros if anyone's got deep pockets. ;)

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People are putting up X-23 #1 Dell'ottos at crazy prices, I hope no one is buying them for that kind of money.

 

Why? People pay more for JSC and Dell Otto is a better artist, IMO.

Comic book prices are set by rarity and demand, etc, not by how good the art is. And I happen to think this book is wildly overpriced at prices of 1-2k. It's mostly speculators driving up prices on old X-23 books after Marvel made her "All-New Wolverine" recently.

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People are putting up X-23 #1 Dell'ottos at crazy prices, I hope no one is buying them for that kind of money.

 

Why? People pay more for JSC and Dell Otto is a better artist, IMO.

Comic book prices are set by rarity and demand, etc, not by how good the art is. And I happen to think this book is wildly overpriced at prices of 1-2k. It's mostly speculators driving up prices on old X-23 books after Marvel made her "All-New Wolverine" recently.

Um, demand can be set by good art.

So, once again, why is it OK to pay $1-3k plus for a JSC book but not Dell Otto?

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People are putting up X-23 #1 Dell'ottos at crazy prices, I hope no one is buying them for that kind of money.

 

Why? People pay more for JSC and Dell Otto is a better artist, IMO.

Comic book prices are set by rarity and demand, etc, not by how good the art is. And I happen to think this book is wildly overpriced at prices of 1-2k. It's mostly speculators driving up prices on old X-23 books after Marvel made her "All-New Wolverine" recently.

 

X-23 #1 has always been scarce on the market. Even that lone 9.8 copy poofed off ebay almost immediately. Marvel promoting her to being "the new Wolverine" in comics certainly brought more attention to the character and her back issues. But at least that attention and demand is organic, being generated by what's happening in the comics like the good ol' days and not on some alternative media announcement. The fact that it's also the best X-23 cover out there and a "#1" cinches it.

 

-J.

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People are putting up X-23 #1 Dell'ottos at crazy prices, I hope no one is buying them for that kind of money.

 

Why? People pay more for JSC and Dell Otto is a better artist, IMO.

Comic book prices are set by rarity and demand, etc, not by how good the art is. And I happen to think this book is wildly overpriced at prices of 1-2k. It's mostly speculators driving up prices on old X-23 books after Marvel made her "All-New Wolverine" recently.

Um, demand can be set by good art.

So, once again, why is it OK to pay $1-3k plus for a JSC book but not Dell Otto?

I didn't say it's not ok, I was just stating my opinion that it's a silly price and that if you wait, you can get it cheaper. But by all means, go ahead if you think otherwise. It doesn't hurt me if you make the copy I own more valuable.

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People are putting up X-23 #1 Dell'ottos at crazy prices, I hope no one is buying them for that kind of money.

 

Why? People pay more for JSC and Dell Otto is a better artist, IMO.

Comic book prices are set by rarity and demand, etc, not by how good the art is. And I happen to think this book is wildly overpriced at prices of 1-2k. It's mostly speculators driving up prices on old X-23 books after Marvel made her "All-New Wolverine" recently.

Um, demand can be set by good art.

So, once again, why is it OK to pay $1-3k plus for a JSC book but not Dell Otto?

I didn't say it's not ok, I was just stating my opinion that it's a silly price and that if you wait, you can get it cheaper. But by all means, go ahead if you think otherwise. It doesn't hurt me if you make the copy I own more valuable.

 

If you wait, it may go down. But I think that's what a lot of people thought about the hard to find JSC books and look at them now.

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If you wait, it may go down. But I think that's what a lot of people thought about the hard to find JSC books and look at them now.

 

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Basically a X-23 1 Dell'otto 9.8 sold at MCS for $1,199.85 and everybody went crazy.

 

The Original Sin Gamora cover might be my favorite out of the bunch. I hated that outfit when i first saw it but i understand/like it now.

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Basically a X-23 1 Dell'otto 9.8 sold at MCS for $1,199.85 and everybody went crazy.

 

The Original Sin Gamora cover might be my favorite out of the bunch. I hated that outfit when i first saw it but i understand/like it now.

 

Actually, raw copies of X 23 #1 were going for $400+ before the 9.8 mycomicshop sale (which was actually for $1,380). (thumbs u

 

Agreed, his Gamora cover for Original Sin is pretty sweet. The whole Original Sin run by him is actually pretty solid. :cloud9:

 

-J.

 

 

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Hello Gents. As promised, here is a little something I put together to explain what I feel is the best explanation yet for the unusual rarity of Dell'otto's signature piece- the ASM 667.

 

It contains links to official Marvel/Diamond/and Midtown sites that only have to do with "this" book, and not third party rumour mill sites (like bleedingcool for example). I am also trying to cite them chronologically so that it makes the most sense. A lot of this is based on some theories that were originally advanced by bababooey and ChuckGower in the original thread ASM 667 Appreciation Thread, so a shout out to them. Some of what they theorized is supported by my research.

 

The best (and most likely) explanation for the rarity of the book is in fact a combination of factors that I have not seen duplicated with any other book to date. My research has revealed that the Dell'Otto variant of ASM 667 was not originally intended to even be released by Marvel. Originally, the 667 was to have only one variant- the Fantastic Four 50th anniversary variant that was not incentive based. Retailers could essentially order as many copies of it as they liked, so long as they exceeded their order of ASM 658 by at least one copy. This is supported by this Diamond link that originally shows only the regular cover for the 667 being available to order along with the FF variant:

 

http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/733?articleID=109968

 

This is further supported by the "Last Call" notification to retailers reminding them of the FOC ("Final Order Cut-off") of July 11, 2011, still only showing the regular cover for the 667 along with the FF variant, with no mention of the Dell'Otto:

 

http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/733?articleID=110595

 

Flash forward a few days later, to July 11, 2011. On what was supposed to be the FOC for the ASM 667 (as well as all of the other books by multiple publishers to be distributed by Diamond for that period) Marvel issued the following release about the addition of 667 Dell'Otto, not at the eleventh hour, but quite literally at the 12th hour: This would also help explain why there were never any pre-orders offered for the book.

 

http://marvel.com/news/comics/16250/sneak_peek_gabrielle_dellotto_amazing_spider-man_667_variant

 

This book, unlike the FF variant was to be incentive based on a 1:100 ratio. As a result of this 12th hour addition, Diamond issued the following "product update"...

 

http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/746?articleID=110712

 

..which extended the FOC by one week from July 11, 2011 to July 18, 2011 for just this one book.

 

It should be noted that to qualify for the Dell'Otto retailers had to order at least 100 copies of the regular cover. None of the orders that had already been placed by then for the FF variant would count towards those 100 copies.

 

Furthermore, if a retailer did not notice the last minute addition of the book, or bother to actually order it if they did, they would not have received any copies, even if they had already ordered or had a standing order of 100+ copies of ASM. I have heard from retailers who didn't even know the 667 Dell'otto existed until I started the original Appreciation Thread.

 

Keep in mind that Spidey sales were in the doldrums during this period, and the 667 was already following the massive 666 event which had already prompted nearly 150 retailers to increase their orders significantly in order to qualify for the custom variant covers (minimum 500 copies had to b ordered to qualify for that unique incentive). That event spiked ASM sales to over double its averages for the time, but also could have made smaller retailers who elected to participate less inclined to order heavy again on the next issue just to get yet another variant.

 

This, coupled with the last minute addition of the Dell'Otto, after the Last Call, the fact that the previously offered FF variants would not count toward the incentive, and that it was announced the very day of the original FOC certainly appears to have severely impacted the retailer participation to qualify for the Dell'Otto.

 

Speaking of the FF variant...that book is extremely common, as it looks like retailers liberally loaded up on it. It actually even appears more common than the regular cover.

 

This is demonstrated by Midtown's site, when the 667 was first released..

 

http://www.midtowncomics.com/store/dp.asp?PRID=Amazing+Spider%2DMan+Vol+2+_1142376

 

...notice how the price of the FF variant is actually less than the price for what was the "regular cover".

 

A quick gander at current ebay listings also shows more listings for the FF variant than the regular cover:

 

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=amazing+spiderman+667&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=1&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=5&_udhi=10%2C000%2C000%2C00&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=91604&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200

 

Of the listings for the 667 that are not part of a lot, 18 of them are for the FF variant and only 9 are for the regular cover. This ratio is consistent with what is always available in the marketplace.

 

The first question one might ask themselves is "Well is this because the FF variant is more valuable?".

 

The answer to that is "no". Neither the regular cover or the FF variant is a particularly valuable book in a 9.8 slab.

 

According to GPA, since the release of the book there have been a total of 3 copies of the regular cover sold, with a 12 month average of $36.00.

 

Conversely, and also notable, there have been 25 slabs of the FF variant sold with a 12 month average of $41.00.

 

Due to the fact that neither book is particularly slab worthy at their current FMV, we see the expected wan amounts of slabbed copies on the census.

 

However, even there, the variant exists in greater numbers (40 slabs to 29 for the regular cover). Granted this is a small sampling size, however every single available, observable metric demonstrates that the variant accounts for a significant percentage of the issue's total print run.

 

This is further supported by Marvel's own actions in releasing the 667 Dell'Otto as a last minute (and again, after the FOC) enticement to retailers to increase their orders for the regular cover, but to no avail. The FF variant was already the cover of choice.

 

Even if every retailer noticed Marvel's 12th hour announcement for the Dell'Otto and decided that they wanted to order additional copies of the regular cover, or already had already ordered 100+ copies and decided to go back into their account to specifically order the Dell'otto, after the FOC, the most copies that would have been printed/distributed would have been about 700- still a tiny figure, in and of itself, for a mainstream title with a regular distribution.

 

But this would assume that every retailer who did order the regular cover, ordered enough batches of 100 to qualify (which didn't happen). I have received multiple PM's from numerous Diamond account holders over the past several months who have put the book at a "one case print run", meaning there would have been no more than 225 copies printed. This number is consistent with other sources that I have seen and has been the number floated around for the last four years or so. However, to further complicate matters, there have been some reports that a good chunk of the few copies that were printed suffered spine and back cover damage during printing/distribution. From a purely anecdotal standpoint I have seen a majority of the few raw copies offered on ebay with this exact kind of damage. The fact that many of the copies out there may not be in that great of shape may also be a factor in what is suppressing its census numbers (although that would not explain why a copy very rarely surfaces for sale).

 

Of course, we will never know the exact amount of copies that were printed and put into circulation. However this unusual and (not repeated?) combination of events and circumstances go a long way to explaining why there just aren't that many copies around. :blush:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I appreciate the effort. However, none of the information presented here is new. All of these links you've provided have all, at one time or another, been part of the conversation. I red your entire post carefully, and gave it fair consideration, but it doesn't contain anything that hasn't already been discussed before.

 

And, you repeat some of the same inaccuracies, like "Keep in mind that Spidey sales were in the doldrums during this period." Spiderman #667 had the 6th highest orders sold through Diamond for that month. ASM #660, #661 and #662 were the 10th, 11th and 13th highest sellers for May of 2011. How is that "in the doldrums"?

 

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-08.html

 

Also: "had already prompted nearly 150 retailers to increase their orders significantly in order to qualify for the custom variant covers (minimum 500 copies had to b ordered to qualify for that unique incentive)"

 

Yes, but those 500 copies were advertising, and only 140 retailers participated, meaning several hundred others did not. Having those copies around didn't mean any particular retailer would have been "fatigued" with ordering the next issue, which was a different scenario. They didn't "increase their orders significantly"; they put $1,000 or so into an ad campaign. The smaller retailers that participated didn't have to "order heavy" on the next issue; if they were big enough to order 500 copies of the store variant, they certainly weren't going to be having too many problems ordering 100 copies of the regular #667. The reasoning just doesn't follow.

 

You also continue to attempt to tie the DISTRIBUTION ratio with the PRINT RUN, which you cannot do, I cannot do, no one can do, because distribution ratios ARE NOT PRINT NUMBERS.

 

This helps to explain why the #667 Dell'Otto was so lightly ORDERED, and why it's difficult to find at this time....but it doesn't (necessarily) mean that it was low PRINTED (and it doesn't mean it wasn't, either.)

 

Retailers order new comics each and every week. It is their job. Therefore, the FOC for ASM #667 moving back one week would have been noticed by them, generally, in the course of business, if they were simply paying attention. Obviously, many retailers were, because they ordered them. That it was "12th hour" doesn't change that. The theory that "oh, well, I have enough of the FF variant, so I don't need to order more of the regular to qualify for the Dell'Otto" doesn't fly. If a retailer had already ordered 100 copies of the regular book, they simply added the Dell'Otto, in whatever quantity, to their order: and they had an additional week to do so.

 

And, if they hadn't ordered enough, since the FOC was changed, they had another week to adjust their orders as they saw fit. This wasn't some super special, sneaky variant program that was hidden to all but the most aware retailers. Marvel was TRYING to get retailers to order more copies, so they moved the FOC to accommodate that AND lowered the price of the regular books to do so. It's not as if having the news on Diamond AND Marvel.com's news page is really a secret.

 

Therefore, if retailers had decided to "overorder" the FF variant, just because it was a variant, they had another week to decide if they wanted to change their minds, since that variant didn't qualify for the 1:100.

 

But, if a retailer ordered, say, 160 copies of ASM, and ordered 80 copies of the regular, and 80 copies of the variant, they had another week to change that to 100 and 60, to qualify for the Dell'Otto...so, far from being a "last minute" thing, they actually were given more time to shuffle their orders around, if they wanted to....and, of course, many retailers managed just fine. Variants are added to the schedule all the time, and retailers manage to order them. This wasn't really any different.

 

With those price reductions, they really had nothing to lose...meeting the threshold was now easier, since the price made the quantity needed to qualify difference an essential wash.

 

Then there's this:

 

Even if every retailer noticed Marvel's 12th hour announcement for the Dell'Otto and decided that they wanted to order additional copies of the regular cover, or already had already ordered 100+ copies and decided to go back into their account to specifically order the Dell'otto, after the FOC, the most copies that would have been printed/distributed would have been about 700- still a tiny figure, in and of itself, for a mainstream title with a regular distribution.

 

Where does that number come from? Were there only 700 qualifying orders? If so, where do you get that information?

 

And this:

 

This is further supported by Marvel's own actions in releasing the 667 Dell'Otto as a last minute (and again, after the FOC) enticement to retailers to increase their orders for the regular cover, but to no avail. The FF variant was already the cover of choice.

 

According to who? How can you jump to that conclusion, that it was to "no avail"? You don't have any idea how that incentive affected orders. And it was NOT "after the FOC"...it was the same day AS the (original) FOC, meaning the retailers still had that day to order according to the original FOC.

 

You see, Marvel doesn't CARE whether they sell X amount of the regular cover, or Y amount of the variant cover. They are just trying to sell COPIES, period. It's not as if Marvel is paid differently depending on which cover sells more. Marvel is not competing with itself.

 

Your reasoning doesn't follow.

 

You say you've never seen this happen with any other book, that this is a unique circumstance with this book...but how do you know?

 

And none of this, of course, has any bearing on the quantity that Marvel actually printed.

 

I was hoping for new information. You led us to believe there was new information. Unfortunately, there isn't any presented here. All good information, to be sure, but nothing new, and nothing which gets us any closer to the truth about this book than we were before. You've started with a conclusion, and then built an argument to support that conclusion, instead of coming at it with an open mind and letting the facts tell the story as it really is. Interesting theory, but far too many holes.

 

:(

 

There's still a piece missing that remains to be seen, which is this:

 

"Retailers should check the Marvel Mailer for information about this variant cover..."

 

From the Marvel link above. I would like to see that.

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Daken Dark Wolverine 1 Variant is my pick to bust out next.

 

I sold my X-23 variant to a boardie I thought it was a flash in the pan. Overtime I grow to appreciate Dell'Otto more and more.

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I have received multiple PM's from numerous Diamond account holders over the past several months who have put the book at a "one case print run", meaning there would have been no more than 225 copies printed.

 

Who?

 

"Unnamed sources" are meaningless; this isn't state secrets we're talking about, here.

 

Let these unnamed sources name themselves, or they carry no weight.

 

I can say "I've gotten numerous PMs from Marvel management that state that the print run of this book was 1,725 copies", but that means nothing if I am unwilling or unable to cite the source, so that the source can be verified.

 

Until then, it's all either speculation, or invention.

 

(Beyond that, it is absolutely absurd to think that Marvel printed ANY book limited to only 225 copies. Just absurd. If you have proof of this, by all means, provide it. Marvel has NEVER, EVER produced a KNOWN variant in those numbers, EVER, so why would they do it with a random 1:100 incentive, for their flagship title no less?)

 

This number is consistent with other sources that I have seen and has been the number floated around for the last four years or so.

 

Floated by who?

 

However, to further complicate matters, there have been some reports that a good chunk of the few copies that were printed suffered spine and back cover damage during printing/distribution.

 

According to who? Where have these reports been reported?

 

After all, if you're going to question me...and rightly so!...on the X-Men #510 sketch story, then you ought to be questioned about this story.

 

I tend to believe the X-Men #510 story, because I have heard it from multiple, unconnected sources. The only people I've heard this about the #667 from is you, and perhaps those connected to this debate here.

 

 

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I have received multiple PM's from numerous Diamond account holders over the past several months who have put the book at a "one case print run", meaning there would have been no more than 225 copies printed.

 

Who?

 

"Unnamed sources" are meaningless; this isn't state secrets we're talking about, here.

 

Let these unnamed sources name themselves, or they carry no weight.

 

I can say "I've gotten numerous PMs from Marvel management that state that the print run of this book was 1,725 copies", but that means nothing if I am unwilling or unable to cite the source, so that the source can be verified.

 

Until then, it's all either speculation, or invention.

 

(Beyond that, it is absolutely absurd to think that Marvel printed ANY book limited to only 225 copies. Just absurd. If you have proof of this, by all means, provide it. Marvel has NEVER, EVER produced a KNOWN variant in those numbers, EVER, so why would they do it with a random 1:100 incentive, for their flagship title no less?)

 

This number is consistent with other sources that I have seen and has been the number floated around for the last four years or so.

 

Floated by who?

 

However, to further complicate matters, there have been some reports that a good chunk of the few copies that were printed suffered spine and back cover damage during printing/distribution.

 

According to who? Where have these reports been reported?

 

After all, if you're going to question me...and rightly so!...on the X-Men #510 sketch story, then you ought to be questioned about this story.

 

I tend to believe the X-Men #510 story, because I have heard it from multiple, unconnected sources. The only people I've heard this about the #667 from is you, and perhaps those connected to this debate here.

 

 

And suppose Marvel did exactly that. Simply because very few retailers bothered to "up their orders" after the fact just to get "another variant". There is nothing "missing" and this isn't rocket science. Just something out of the norm that few retailers found it worth their time to break routine for. They had already placed their Spidey orders. They had already ordered plenty of the special 50th anniversary FF variant. And one variant is as good as another. Sometimes things out of the ordinary just happen in this hobby. Double covers , "price variants", recalled comics, etc. This was obviously a marketing faux pas by Marvel that backfired and created essentially an error book, in what is indeed its flagship title. Whoops! Don't think so ? Find another example of this happening and feel free to post it in this thread. So if Marvel did do such a thing, if they ran off a one case print of a book that few retailers ordered (not expensive for them at all since as we have learned a printer will change a cover plate for the cost of around $500) the result would probably look a lot like the 667 Dell'otto- impossible to find, highly sought after, and extremely expensive. (thumbs u

 

-J.

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I have received multiple PM's from numerous Diamond account holders over the past several months who have put the book at a "one case print run", meaning there would have been no more than 225 copies printed.

 

Who?

 

"Unnamed sources" are meaningless; this isn't state secrets we're talking about, here.

 

Let these unnamed sources name themselves, or they carry no weight.

 

I can say "I've gotten numerous PMs from Marvel management that state that the print run of this book was 1,725 copies", but that means nothing if I am unwilling or unable to cite the source, so that the source can be verified.

 

Until then, it's all either speculation, or invention.

 

(Beyond that, it is absolutely absurd to think that Marvel printed ANY book limited to only 225 copies. Just absurd. If you have proof of this, by all means, provide it. Marvel has NEVER, EVER produced a KNOWN variant in those numbers, EVER, so why would they do it with a random 1:100 incentive, for their flagship title no less?)

 

This number is consistent with other sources that I have seen and has been the number floated around for the last four years or so.

 

Floated by who?

 

However, to further complicate matters, there have been some reports that a good chunk of the few copies that were printed suffered spine and back cover damage during printing/distribution.

 

According to who? Where have these reports been reported?

 

After all, if you're going to question me...and rightly so!...on the X-Men #510 sketch story, then you ought to be questioned about this story.

 

I tend to believe the X-Men #510 story, because I have heard it from multiple, unconnected sources. The only people I've heard this about the #667 from is you, and perhaps those connected to this debate here.

 

 

And suppose Marvel did exactly that.

 

Suppose they printed 3,000 of them?

 

They're both suppositions, and without concrete evidence, neither is more valid than the other, and here's the kicker: there's precedent for printing 3,000 copies (whether they are released or not), while there is NO precedent for printing "a single case."

 

Simply because very few retailers bothered to "up their orders" after the fact just to get "another variant". There is nothing "missing" and this isn't rocket science.

 

So, you have the Marvel Mailer that is mentioned here:

 

http://marvel.com/news/comics/16250/sneak_peek_gabrielle_dellotto_amazing_spider-man_667_variant

 

"Retailers should check the Marvel Mailer for information about this variant cover..."

 

...?

 

Just something out of the norm that few retailers found it worth their time to break routine for. They had already placed their Spidey orders. They had already ordered plenty of the special 50th anniversary FF variant. And one variant is as good as another. Sometimes things out of the ordinary just happen in this hobby. Double covers , "price variants", recalled comics, etc. This was obviously a marketing faux pas by Marvel that backfired and created essentially an error book, in what is indeed its flagship title. Whoops! Don't think so ?

 

No, I don't. All of the above is supposition. It might be accurate, but there's no way to prove it, which makes it just interesting theory, but certainly nothing anyone can say "yes, this is exactly what happened."

 

You promised research, you promised new information, and you didn't deliver.

 

Find another example of this happening and feel free to post it in this thread.

 

That's the thing, innit? We don't know if it's ever happened or not, because I daresay no one's ever had cause to look before. But here's the kicker: it doesn't change anything, because it's not proof. I can make just as compelling an argument that this turn of events INCREASED the orders for the incentive than would have been otherwise, and it would be just as valid, as your argument that it DECREASED those orders.

 

So if Marvel did do such a thing, if they ran off a one case print of a book that few retailers ordered (not expensive for them at all since as we have learned a printer will change a cover plate for the cost of around $500)

 

You are very willing to leap to conclusions when it supports your pre-determined conclusions, and so unwilling to listen to much, much weightier evidence when it doesn't. How do you know that "a printer will change a cover plate for the cost of around $500"? Because one guy who claimed to be in the industry said so? To forestall your inevitable objections, I'm not disputing that. I don't know. I AM, however, challenging it. Why?

 

Because if Marvel sold "225 copies", at a net price to Diamond of $1.60/copy (say, a standard 60% off discount), then Marvel only made $360 for the entire affair. $360 is LESS THAN $500.

 

Dell'Otto was CERTAINLY paid more than $360 for that cover.

 

"But, they might have sold more copies of the regular version as a result, to offset the cost of the variant!"

 

Perhaps. But that's the unfortunate part of incentives: there's no real way to track how well they work. Marvel does them because they believe they work, and they have some evidence to prove that...but nothing really concrete, across the board.

 

the result would probably look a lot like the 667 Dell'otto- impossible to find, highly sought after, and extremely expensive. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

"Highly sought after" and "extremely expensive" are functions of the market, not the way this book was produced. There are plenty of books which are much rarer than this book which aren't highly sought after, nor extremely expensive, though they are certainly impossible to find.

 

But we don't know what Marvel did, you haven't shown any of the "new research" you promised, and we're still where we were.

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Daken Dark Wolverine 1 Variant is my pick to bust out next.

 

I sold my X-23 variant to a boardie I thought it was a flash in the pan. Overtime I grow to appreciate Dell'Otto more and more.

 

I'd agree that daken looks pretty bad-azz on that cover but he has yet to really catch on as a character in general and X-23 has stolen most of his thunder as of this point.

 

The winter soldier 1 cover seems to be the one actually getting the most buzz right now.

 

-J.

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Omg, this thread stated out lovely with peeps actually celebrating Gab's art. That didn't last long and now it's just another thread that has been hijacked with these back and forth discussions of supposed rarity, print numbers, value, :blahblah:

 

Idgaf about that stuff here and would think others are also tired of seeing the same carp repeat itself here like in various other threads before this one, by the same peeps. Maybe make your own thread were you go have these long debates about print numbers for every "rare" book you disagree on, so you can leave threads like this one for their actual intent: to celebrate an artist for his amazing art.

 

2c

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