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[RockMyAmadeus]

On 10/14/2018 at 10:36 AM, jsilverjanet said:

I thought if were honest in our motivations with our posts then there’d be less fighting amongst us

You and me both. My 30 copies of ASM #361 are itching to find new homes...

[paperheart]

On 10/13/2018 at 8:25 AM, Jaydogrules said:

Now I don't see your point (?)

A Star is Born is sitting at $66MM domestic.  That's still $40MM+ less than Venom.  It made $35MM less opening weekend.  It has lost ground.

And a new movie next week may out-gross a three week old movie next week.  This is prophetic, how?

And FWIW, Halloween is rated R and is a stodgy 40 year old franchise.  Venom is fresh and new and its "safe" PG-13 rating will likely carry it through with the tweeners through at least the first couple of weeks in November.  And seeing as how the film will blow past $300MM in just two weeks of release, without China even hitting yet, I'll take you up on your bet for a less than $500MM worldwide end gross.  In fact I put it around $550-$600MM now which in fact crushes the first wolverine movie totals (a more apt comparison).

-J.

Venom's October opening weekend record may have lasted for all of 2 weeks.  Deadline projecting Halloween at potential $90MM based on $10MM previews (that began at 7pm tonight)- they have really started calling these #'s earlier and earlier therefore the possibility of being way wrong is greater and greater.  

They've already backed off that estimate and are now saying $75MM, the guy should work on Wall Street.

Edited October 19, 2018 by paperheart

[Jaydogrules]

17 hours ago, paperheart said:

Venom's October opening weekend record may have lasted for all of 2 weeks.  Deadline projecting Halloween at potential $90MM based on $10MM previews (that began at 7pm tonight)- they have really started calling these #'s earlier and earlier therefore the possibility of being way wrong is greater and greater.  

They've already backed off that estimate and are now saying $75MM, the guy should work on Wall Street.

That's interesting.  Venom made $10MM in Thursday previews and the "experts" pegged it for a $57MM-$65MM opening.  Halloween does only $7.7MM on Thursday and they peg that for $75MM?

Not likely.  I say Halloween will be lucky to crawl past $60MM.  Both Venom and A Star is Born (ick!) are expected to holdover strong.

-J.

[paperheart]

$18MM+ third weekend, this is a great #.  $200MM+ US assured. over under $450MM by end of weekend. $650MM+ WW likely (w/ $100MMish China), $700MM may not be out of the question. 

[paperheart]

Just now, Jaydogrules said:

That's interesting.  Venom made $10MM in Thursday previews and the "experts" pegged it for a $57MM-$65MM opening.  Halloween does only $7.7MM on Thursday and they peg that for $75MM?

Not likely.  I say Halloween will be lucky to crawl past $60MM.  Both Venom and A Star is Born (ick!) are expected to holdover strong.

-J.

venom previews began at 5pm, Halloween at 7 pm.  Deadline now at $32MM Friday, equal to Venom but more front end loaded, so $75MM weekend. Huge # given tracking was at $40MM as of 3 weeks ago and production budget is $10MM.

[Jaydogrules]

14 minutes ago, paperheart said:

venom previews began at 5pm, Halloween at 7 pm.  Deadline now at $32MM Friday, equal to Venom but more front end loaded, so $75MM weekend. Huge # given tracking was at $40MM as of 3 weeks ago and production budget is $10MM.

Halloween is estimated to have earned $32MM including its box office on Thursday.  Venom made that on its first Friday alone.  

Also, the same deadline article you reference now estimates Venom at a nearly $19MM weekend three, which would only be another 47% drop. That's what we call "legs". 

The same article says $60MM is still possible for Halloween in a "worst case scenario".  I'm saying that's closer to where it will end up after its first weekend (still very good for a first weekend, but Venom's October record is more than safe for now).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2018/10/halloween-record-opening-weekend-box-office-1202485871/amp/

-J.

[paperheart]

2 minutes ago, Jaydogrules said:

Halloween is estimated to have earned $32MM including its box office on Thursday.  Venom made that on its first Friday alone.  

Also, the same deadline article you reference now estimates Venom at a nearly $19MM weekend three, which would only be another 47% drop. That's what we call "legs". 

The same article says $60MM is still possible for Halloween in a "worst case scenario".  I'm saying that's closer to where it will end up after its first weekend (still very good for a first weekend, but Venom's October record is more than safe for now).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2018/10/halloween-record-opening-weekend-box-office-1202485871/amp/

-J.

which included $10MM Thursday previews. 

referenced above.

[Jaydogrules]

7 minutes ago, paperheart said:

which included $10MM Thursday previews. 

referenced above.

No.  $10MM on Thursday. And then $32.8MM on Friday.  $42.8MM total on its first Thursday/Friday. $10MM+ more than Halloween for the same two day period.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/venom-has-biggest-opening-weekend-ever-for-an-october-release-2018-10

-J.

Edited October 19, 2018 by Jaydogrules

[paperheart]

4 minutes ago, Jaydogrules said:

No.  $10MM on Thursday. And then $32.8MM on Friday.  $42.8MM total on its first Thursday/Friday. $10MM+ more than Halloween for the same two day period.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/venom-has-biggest-opening-weekend-ever-for-an-october-release-2018-10

-J.

nope, that's flat out wrong. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=venom2018.htm

 

[Jaydogrules]

7 minutes ago, paperheart said:

nope, that's flat out wrong. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=venom2018.htm

 

How is it wrong?   Are you saying Venom only grossed $22MM on its first Friday?  And then $4MM MORE on Saturday ($26MM)? 

Literally every single article reports the Thursday/Friday gross as Business Insider did. Not one reports it the way you do. 

-J.

Edited October 19, 2018 by Jaydogrules

[paperheart]

Just now, Jaydogrules said:

How is it wrong?   Are you saying Venom only grossed $22MM on its first Friday?  And then $4MM MORE on Saturday ($26MM)? 

Literally every single article reports the Thursday/Friday gross as Business Insider did. Not one reports it the way you do. 

-J.

me? that's box office mojo. they are the bible.

here's mendelson. Yes, Tom Hardy’s Venom opened with an amazing $32.75 million Friday last night. That includes $10m in Thursday previews

this ain't rocket science. you are just wrong, onward.

[Jaydogrules]

3 minutes ago, paperheart said:

me? that's box office mojo. they are the bible.

here's mendelson. Yes, Tom Hardy’s Venom opened with an amazing $32.75 million Friday last night. That includes $10m in Thursday previews

this ain't rocket science. you are just wrong, onward.

 You mean Business Insider, Collider, Variety, and Hollywood Reporter are "wrong".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/venom-has-biggest-opening-weekend-ever-for-an-october-release-2018-10

https://www.google.com/amp/collider.com/venom-friday-box-office/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/box-office-venom-awes-10m-thursday-previews-a-star-is-born-nabs-32m-1149564

https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2018/film/box-office/venom-a-star-is-born-box-office-the-hate-u-give-loving-pablo-1202971215/amp/

Good talk. 

-J.

[paperheart]

3 hours ago, Jaydogrules said:

 You mean Business Insider, Collider, Variety, and Hollywood Reporter are "wrong".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/venom-has-biggest-opening-weekend-ever-for-an-october-release-2018-10

https://www.google.com/amp/collider.com/venom-friday-box-office/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/box-office-venom-awes-10m-thursday-previews-a-star-is-born-nabs-32m-1149564

https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2018/film/box-office/venom-a-star-is-born-box-office-the-hate-u-give-loving-pablo-1202971215/amp/

Good talk. 

-J.

thursday night preview $'s have been rolled into Friday's reported grosses since they became a thing.   this isn't even a debate- you can't seem to grasp a simple fact; where is Bosco to agree with me when I need him?

This is Thursday 10/4, Venom's preview night. Reported box office Zero

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2018/10/04 

This is Friday 10/5, Venom's "Opening Day" reported box office $32.5MM (which INCLUDES the $10MM from Thursday's previews) , Total Box Office $32.5MM (which INCLUDES the $10MM from Thursday's previews)

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2018/10/05

This is Saturday 10/6. Venom's reported box office $26.4MM, Total Box Office $58.9MM

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2018/10/06

This is Sunday 10/7. Venom's reported box office $21.4MM, Total Box Office $80.3MM

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2018/10/07

 

 

Edited October 20, 2018 by paperheart

[Jaydogrules]

11 hours ago, paperheart said:

thursday night preview $'s have been rolled into Friday's reported grosses since they became a thing.   this isn't even a debate- you can't seem to grasp a simple fact; where is Bosco to agree with me when I need him?

This is Thursday 10/4, Venom's preview night. Reported box office Zero

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2018/10/04 

This is Friday 10/5, Venom's "Opening Day" reported box office $32.5MM (which INCLUDES the $10MM from Thursday's previews) , Total Box Office $32.5MM (which INCLUDES the $10MM from Thursday's previews)

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2018/10/05

This is Saturday 10/6. Venom's reported box office $26.4MM, Total Box Office $58.9MM

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2018/10/06

This is Sunday 10/7. Venom's reported box office $21.4MM, Total Box Office $80.3MM

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2018/10/07

 

 

Okay, okay I concede.  

-J.

[Gatsby77]

On 10/14/2018 at 11:37 AM, Jaydogrules said:

At this point, Sony isn't worrying about the Halloween remake/reboot/sequel pr whatever it is.  At this point the studio that's putting out halloween is worrying about Venom.

Oh. Hey - Look!

Halloween made more about $1 million more opening day (which, as Paperheart correctly notes, includes Thursday previews) than Venom did.

Not bad for a "studgy, 40 year-old franchise."

[Jaydogrules]

28 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

Oh. Hey - Look!

Halloween made more about $1 million more opening day (which, as Paperheart correctly notes, includes Thursday previews) than Venom did.

Not bad for a "studgy, 40 year-old franchise."

Weird. 

I'm not sure what or why you (apparently) believe Halloween having a good opening night has to do with the (likely) ~$450MM Venom will be sitting at by the end of its third weekend.  You either (apparently) believe Venom should be able to remain #1 at the box office indefinitely, or that the success of any subsequent movie somehow diminishes the overwhelming and continued success of Venom and its leggy performance thus far.

In either case, you're wrong.

-J.

 

[MGsimba77]

Oh my goodness gracious!... Venom has been a massive success why can't some dead enders just move on?

What's this latching on to any tiny negative point trying to compare it to some other movie?! Woah hey gee whiz...it made one million less here, one million less there. Jeez who gives a flip? 

Results are in...It's going to surpass expectations by plenty, proven the critics wrong, viewing public loved it, increased the character's popularity...etc, etc

 

[exitmusicblue]

You foo foos are hopeless.

Lmfao.

[ComicConnoisseur]

18 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

Oh my goodness gracious!... Venom has been a massive success why can't some dead enders just move on?

What's this latching on to any tiny negative point trying to compare it to some other movie?! Woah hey gee whiz...it made one million less here, one million less there. Jeez who gives a flip? 

Results are in...It's going to surpass expectations by plenty, proven the critics wrong, viewing public loved it, increased the character's popularity...etc, etc

 

Good points.

Also with Venom doing this good at the box office and with a expected Venom 2 on the way, now this legitimizes that ASM #300 like NM #98 will be considered for a long-time a blue chip key. 

For awhile I was getting slack from some old timers that both ASM #300 and NM #98 were both fads. Not so now when both characters broke records at the box office. Things are just going to snowball for both characters as the years go by and they become ingrained in popular culture.

If you look at both Venom and DeadPool box offices they both beat old stalwarts such as Lone Ranger and Tarzan at the box office.

So yeah Venom and Deadpool are moving on up as new modern anti-heroes the modern audience wants more of.

 

[Jaydogrules]

$18.2MM for its third weekend for a very respectable less than 50% drop from week 2.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/halloween-box-office-terrifies-775m-debut-1154066

She got legs and she knows how to use them.  

-J.