Paddy_McShillihan Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) On 2013-02-05 at 11:57 AM, joeypost said: IIRC black inks do not show up under balck light. If it is paint...maybe. Black CT is usually spotted by feel or your eye. Recently passed on an ASM 300 that looked like it had color touch ... sorry no pics... there was 2 black lines inside cover and when I held up to the light the lines perfectly matched 2 creases by staples.... I looked at front cover but gloss didn't seem affected by crease lines....I used iphone flashlight and had reading glasses on.... my gut was telling me maybe a small marker pen was used lightly on creases .... just opening cover there was small black lines without holding to light.... they were kind of dotted ... not sharp straight lines.... by glancing at book it looked fine...Was this color touch ? or is there a production defect like this on this book ? Edited February 19, 2017 by Paddy_McShillihan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene465 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Great information here been a long time in the making! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venomous72 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Hey guys, I am about to pull the trigger on this copy of Journey into Mystery 112, but I wanted to check the staples. I got some better pics from the sellers and wanted to see what you all thought. They aren't real high res but I figured it would be worth checking. The book just seems to be in really good shape for it's price so that is why I wanted to double check the staples. The seller has a lot of sales and great feedback, and said to his knowledge none of the books he has sold have been altered (and they are all from a very large lot he purchased). What do you guys think of the staples? Also, what do you think of the cover? Most of the covers I have seen of this book are white all the way through, but this one has a blue hue toward the top. Thanks again. Edited September 6, 2017 by James Lawry added another pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry hoyt Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Need so help. Have a asm 9. Graded a 9. With slight cover restoration. Can this be removed and still get a blue label? Anyone? What do I need to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoomanfoo Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) Hello everyone I'm new and browsing the forum and wanted to add that black ink restore or covering minor black color breaks is a real pain in the ars and seems to be rampant with coppers and even moderns. It's really messed up and hard to tell at first glance especially if it's "fine dotted" and there no bleed. I bought a ASM 300 for a premium and it had black ink I'm certain. I brought it back to who I purchased from and he argued till no end. Literally I wanted to punch him. It was not the only copper I've gotten recently that has had this desecration. I think if you just be realistic and rational and a book looks to good to be true to ask more questions or for more photos. Alot of sellers will ignore you but hey. Edited November 15, 2017 by Obi-Wan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicquant Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 2/18/2017 at 9:33 PM, Paddy_McShillihan said: Recently passed on an ASM 300 that looked like it had color touch ... sorry no pics... there was 2 black lines inside cover and when I held up to the light the lines perfectly matched 2 creases by staples.... I looked at front cover but gloss didn't seem affected by crease lines....I used iphone flashlight and had reading glasses on.... my gut was telling me maybe a small marker pen was used lightly on creases .... just opening cover there was small black lines without holding to light.... they were kind of dotted ... not sharp straight lines.... by glancing at book it looked fine...Was this color touch ? or is there a production defect like this on this book ? I always check for color touch by backlighting the cover with a powerful 5000k led light. It’s nearly failproof with color touch that doesn’t bleed through. The color touch is opaque compared to the ink used during manufacturing so they stand out. I caught ct on an MS5 this way so started using it for most purchases (for questionable books). I think GA covers may not be as easy to detect due to the thickness of the paper but it works on SA/BA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 On 9/6/2017 at 3:45 PM, James Lawry said: Hey guys, I am about to pull the trigger on this copy of Journey into Mystery 112, but I wanted to check the staples. I got some better pics from the sellers and wanted to see what you all thought. They aren't real high res but I figured it would be worth checking. The book just seems to be in really good shape for it's price so that is why I wanted to double check the staples. The seller has a lot of sales and great feedback, and said to his knowledge none of the books he has sold have been altered (and they are all from a very large lot he purchased). What do you guys think of the staples? Also, what do you think of the cover? Most of the covers I have seen of this book are white all the way through, but this one has a blue hue toward the top. Thanks again. Looked like an amateur leaf casting. Brandon Shepherd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill the Governor Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 2 hours ago, JollyComics said: Looked like an amateur leaf casting. Amateur leaf-casting? Go on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Phil the Governor said: Amateur leaf-casting? Go on.... I believe he may use the rice paper or archival tape before tipping in with slurry pulp. Do you notice the glossy lineal paths in middle of the wrap? It is a tell-tale restoration. You can find more information about the leaf casting. Brandon Shepherd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aslpride8 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Thank you all for great tips on this thread! Is blacklight a foolproof to detect any restoration with color touch up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PovertyRow Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 On 5/14/2018 at 10:44 AM, Aslpride8 said: Thank you all for great tips on this thread! Is blacklight a foolproof to detect any restoration with color touch up? No. There are many substances that glow under black light aside from inks/paints used in restoration. At best black light can help verify a suspected area, but it is far from foolproof. I used to use black light years ago but no longer do. Now I just depend on experience, good lighting and, where needed, a magnifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Restoration Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 That book is fine and unrestored, these aren't the droids you are looking for. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Devourer Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, MastrCntrlProgram said: That book is fine and unrestored, these aren't the droids you are looking for. ;-) Well put. Like the avatar by the way (shame about the sequel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Restoration Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 minute ago, World Devourer said: Well put. Like the avatar by the way (shame about the sequel). better than no sequel at all, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Devourer Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, MastrCntrlProgram said: better than no sequel at all, right? Mmm...I'd rather wait for a masterful 9.8 than have a rushed 5.0. Edited June 26, 2018 by World Devourer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoyoteTwelve Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) I'm in a comic book pressers group and we had to toss a member for advocating cleaning a book with Hydrogen Peroxide diluted down. His rational was that it's ok because every book he sends into CGC or CBCS they don't catch it and he get's a Blue Label. Obviously CGC lists this as restoration if detected. I did a little online research and there is no way to spectrally see this form of restoration however there is a way to detect it in very minute amounts down to parts per billion. I am wondering if CGC needs to use a technique such as this to catch dishonest submitters. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/am1012535 Edited July 31, 2018 by CoyoteTwelve formatting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway29 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 If a book has been submitted with pre-screen, to check if the book will improve with pressing AND/OR if restoration exists (you know, those little check boxes)....and an e-mail is received indicating pressing services are not required and it's moving to grading...does that mean it also passed the restoration pre-screen? I assume yes, but it's not explicitly addressed in the e-mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Callaway29 said: If a book has been submitted with pre-screen, to check if the book will improve with pressing AND/OR if restoration exists (you know, those little check boxes)....and an e-mail is received indicating pressing services are not required and it's moving to grading...does that mean it also passed the restoration pre-screen? I assume yes, but it's not explicitly addressed in the e-mail. Yes, but there is no guarantee. Resto can still be caught by the graders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway29 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr. Love said: yes 2 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said: Yes, but there is no guarantee. Resto can still be caught by the graders. Thanks gents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
