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MOST VALUABLE MODERN VARIANTS - THE RANKINGS
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7 hours ago, the blob said:

In Feb. of 2018 there was supposedly a sale of a 9.8 blue for $1,500. That's an outlier as the last sales of 2017 were between $800-950. But the average for 2018 was around $1,100. In March of 2019 there was a low sale of $620, again an outlier. But the spread is much bigger now, from $770-$1,200 this year.

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20 hours ago, Jaydogrules said:
21 hours ago, ygogolak said:

Why can't you just get the info? I would think if it was readily available somebody else would have gotten it by now.

I'm not a diamond account holder.  But there are other people on here who are, other than this guy (or at least they claim to be).  The individual who provided me the info saw the original ASM 667 thread, saw some of the things that were being said and decided to investigate for himself.  My own investigations were limited to public record.   He reached out to some contacts at diamond and got the info.  Since this info is not supposed to be public (as we are constantly being told by certain boardies through their multiple sock puppet accounts), I was asked not to publicize it, lest it be traced back to either him, or his source. I gave my word, and I will keep it until/unless he says I can post it myself or he posts it himself.  

-J.

Is this bombshell "info" in any physical form or something he/she was told over the phone?

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On 10/24/2019 at 11:34 AM, divad said:

no, that would defeat the whole purpose of the shill.

 

True story.

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14 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

PS. In the normal course of things, Diamond neither knows nor cares what the publishers print. So long as they can fulfill orders, what the publishers print is none of their concern. The publisher decides what to print...not Diamond.

So, the whole "I got the super secret whistleblower info from Diamond!" doesn't really matter. The information...which, incredibly conveniently, cannot be shared, because:reasons...might only refer to what Diamond need to fulfill orders.

 

Proof? Its OK just to fling unproven statements as facts?

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10 minutes ago, paul747 said:

Proof? Its OK just to fling unproven statements as facts?

Hi Paul! A while ago, you made a statement in a post where you said "I hope I never have to interact with you again." Would you please stick that? 

Thanks!

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I heard that marvel & diamond had a direct relationship with the printer and received  the entire print run and distributed to marvel. Could this rumor be true? If this is true would that mean that people at the distributor actually know from the invoice how many books where actually printed?  I mean its as good of a guess as the previously stated statement and it has been said in the past.  I mean does someone have the facts? Does diamond just tell marvel what it needs and marvel just ships what diamond ordered or do that do it together with diamond managing the total inventory?

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23 minutes ago, paul747 said:

Proof? Its OK just to fling unproven statements as facts?

Does Diamond ever handle things like convention exclusives or complementary copies for creators or do those just go directly from the printer to the publisher?

Diamond is just a (well, the) distributor. They certainly have a significant influence on what the publisher has printed, but they aren't the publisher.

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5 minutes ago, paul747 said:

I heard that diamond had a direct relationship with the printer and received  the entire print run and distributed to marvel. Could this rumor be true? If this is true would that mean that people at the distributor actually know from the invoice how many books where actually printed?  I mean its as good of a guess as the previously stated statement and it has been said in the past.  I mean does someone have the facts?

Diamond definitely gets shipments directly from the printer. There is no question about that.

How much of (and what information about) the print run they receive is the question.

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5 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

Does Diamond ever handle things like convention exclusives or complementary copies for creators or do those just go directly from the printer to the publisher?

Diamond is just a (well, the) distributor. They certainly have a significant influence on what the publisher has printed, but they aren't the publisher.

True , but do they get the printed books from printer and ship to who marvel wants? or does marvel get direct mail from printer? that's a very very important question. Does either ever happen? I would love to really find out. I have heard it both ways.

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5 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

Does Diamond ever handle things like convention exclusives or complementary copies for creators or do those just go directly from the printer to the publisher?

Diamond is just a (well, the) distributor. They certainly have a significant influence on what the publisher has printed, but they aren't the publisher.

No doubt. What Diamond says it wants has nearly monolithic influence on what the publishers print. 

But what the publishers print aside from what Diamond wants, Diamond neither knows nor cares. The publishers make those decisions.

 

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39 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

Does Diamond ever handle things like convention exclusives or complementary copies for creators or do those just go directly from the printer to the publisher?

Diamond is just a (well, the) distributor. They certainly have a significant influence on what the publisher has printed, but they aren't the publisher.

What is the master distribution agreement? Does diamond get 100 percent of the shipment and then distribute to the comic companies , maybe they don't care but do they know the print amounts?

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8 hours ago, ygogolak said:

October 17, 2017 there were 75 9.8s on the census. There are 128 9.8s on the census as of October 8, 2019.

http://www.cgcdata.com/cgc/search/comicid/64551

Market price is subject to supply and demand numbers.

I have provided factual data to my assumption, please do the same for yours.

 

I didn't post an assumption.

As for the trash that poisons this hobby and manipulates prices I've mentioned them to you countless times before and either because of stupidity, willful ignorance, or the fact that you are "friends" with some of them you have chosen to ignore the reality of the situation. I have no interest in engaging you further in this matter, you are not worth my time.

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9 hours ago, ygogolak said:

October 17, 2017 there were 75 9.8s on the census. There are 128 9.8s on the census as of October 8, 2019.

http://www.cgcdata.com/cgc/search/comicid/64551

Market price is subject to supply and demand numbers.

I have provided factual data to my assumption, please do the same for yours.

 

Soon to be another 9.8 when I send mine in...

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Many (most? all?) retailer exclusives do not pass through Diamond. They are shipped directly from the printer to either the retailer or the publisher.

Convention exclusives are sent directly from the printer to the publisher. They, too, do not pass through Diamond.

For instance: many convention exclusives are sent directly from the printer to the convention floor. Diamond neither knows about, cares about, nor sees these comics at all.

I have a case of Darker Image #1 Gold. It was sent straight to the Image offices from Quebecor. 

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Retailer exclusive used to DEFINITELY FOR A FACT COME SHIPPED FROM DIAMOND. At least some that I know about. Then it became really wide spread and i do think they ordered from the printer but I don't know about shipping. (the retailer also could have just worked out a shipping distribution deal on the side)  Also Really don't know about how it went down in the nineties and I really dont know if any books that image or any other company had at their offices first came back thru the distributor. I  Would like to know. Bottom line. some people can go direct to printer and fulfill what is needed to diamond, some others have diamond manage their orders but work together with them on total orders. What are the major publishers agreements? I don't know for a fact , I want to know

I also want to know when they order how it works for damage and over-ship programs and 2nd prints....

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On 10/24/2019 at 2:22 PM, Jaydogrules said:

I'm not a diamond account holder.  But there are other people on here who are, other than this guy (or at least they claim to be).  The individual who provided me the info saw the original ASM 667 thread, saw some of the things that were being said and decided to investigate for himself.  My own investigations were limited to public record.   He reached out to some contacts at diamond and got the info.  Since this info is not supposed to be public (as we are constantly being told by certain boardies through their multiple sock puppet accounts), I was asked not to publicize it, lest it be traced back to either him, or his source. I gave my word, and I will keep it until/unless he says I can post it myself or he posts it himself.  

-J.

Just redact it. Its not that hard to cut out the information we don't need until then well you know the rest of what I will type.

 

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On 10/24/2019 at 10:11 AM, RockMyAmadeus said:

According to the erroneous and debunked "ordering ratio to sales reported by Diamond/Comichron" fiction, there would be approximately 750 copies made. Of course, since that is a completely invalid (not just "best guess"...invalid) way to "compute" the print runs of incentive variants, "750" has no meaning. It's a number made up out of thin air.

[BlTHAT said...I don't believe Marvel printed less than 500 of them. Marvel (and Disney) don't...or didn't...even get out of bed for print runs less than 1,000 as a matter of course.[/b] They certainly did not print a "single case" of them, as some have claimed.

I suspect...and this is a guess, here...that Marvel printed about 1,000 of them, and most of them...like all ASMs...ended up in private collections. There are several in members' collections here that aren't counted in any of the "known" counts, like the census. The rest of them are probably buried somewhere, like so many books that don't get near as much attention. What I CAN say is this: the book is far, far, far scarcer on the market than it ought to be, and that is a mystery.

That said...if I was presented documentation...that is, actual documents...I would be HAPPY to change my mind on the matter.

Wrong.  

For 666, the issue right before 667 (duh!), Marvel ran off runs as little as 500 copies for the special retailer covers that shops were allowed to order. 

And again, Marvel does not arbitrarily print off cases of books that no one ordered "as a matter of course". 

Try again.

-J.

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6 minutes ago, Jaydogrules said:

Wrong.  

For 666, the issue right before 667 (duh!), Marvel ran off runs as little as 500 copies for the special retailer covers that shops were allowed to order. 

And again, Marvel does not arbitrarily print off cases of books that no one ordered "as a matter of course". 

Try again.

-J.

Exception that makes the rule, party of one, your table is ready....

No one has ever said Marvel "arbitrarily prints off cases of books that no one ordered." They do it on purpose. 

Here's a great example:

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Do you know how many people ordered that book...?

(psssst...the answer's zero.)

Marvel printed cases of that book...and not arbitrarily...and not a single person ordered it. Why? Because Marvel printed it as a giveaway at WWLA.

I know, I know...weird!

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