Can you guess why you probably shouldn't buy this "Jack Kirby" piece? 2 2

[glendgold]

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/82464918_signed-pencil-drawing-after-jack-kirby-silver?from=alert&utm_source=SavedAlert&utm_campaign=SearchAlert_20190911_B&utm_medium=email&utm_content=item

This is copied from this:

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/illustrations/jack-kirby-1975-comic-art-convention-program-silver-surfer/a/7066-93280.s

 

 

[comix4fun]

Jeez...you can see it clearly too. The face, hands, background elements, the signature...the overall lack of confidence in the lines. 

Edited March 6, 2020 by comix4fun

[RBerman]

What does that mean about this Jack Kirby piece? I notice the two signatures are different. Just signed at different times?

[glendgold]

Wow, this auction house is problematic. Here's another one: https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/-1-c-09541FAA19?utm_source=inv_kwalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=keywordalertlive&utm_term=2

This is copied from the "Roz" sketchbook. Scott Eder just sold the real one on eBay a few weeks ago.

The auctioneer is no stranger to problems with attribution: https://westfaironline.com/118133/california-woman-sues-mount-kisco-charity-shop-over-hermes-birkin-knockoff/

 

 

 

 

[grapeape]

6 hours ago, glendgold said:

Wow, this auction house is problematic. Here's another one: https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/-1-c-09541FAA19?utm_source=inv_kwalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=keywordalertlive&utm_term=2

This is copied from the "Roz" sketchbook. Scott Eder just sold the real one on eBay a few weeks ago.

The auctioneer is no stranger to problems with attribution: https://westfaironline.com/118133/california-woman-sues-mount-kisco-charity-shop-over-hermes-birkin-knockoff/

 

 

 

 

“Attributed to”

“After”

”In the style of”

[grapeape]

13 hours ago, glendgold said:

Wow, this auction house is problematic. Here's another one: https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/-1-c-09541FAA19?utm_source=inv_kwalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=keywordalertlive&utm_term=2

This is copied from the "Roz" sketchbook. Scott Eder just sold the real one on eBay a few weeks ago.

The auctioneer is no stranger to problems with attribution: https://westfaironline.com/118133/california-woman-sues-mount-kisco-charity-shop-over-hermes-birkin-knockoff/

 

 

 

 

I really appreciate your diligence buddy. I worry about our newer collectors. The desire to “score” and join the club can override common sense. Inexperience leads to regret.

For newer collectors please go slow and consider buying from dealers and auction houses you can trust to have authentic art work. We talk about them all the time on the boards. You might pay more but you’ll pay for the real thing.

🍇 🦍

[Crowzilla]

On 3/7/2020 at 12:54 AM, grapeape said:

“Attributed to”

“After”

”In the style of”

I love this background info on Jack - " He began the comic art genre in the early 1970s after DC Comics asked him to develop in the theme of ‘Planet of the Apes’ Graphic Novel Art, "

[grapeape]

46 minutes ago, Crowzilla said:

I love this background info on Jack - " He began the comic art genre in the early 1970s after DC Comics asked him to develop in the theme of ‘Planet of the Apes’ Graphic Novel Art, "

Oh good grief......

[JadeGiant]

On 3/7/2020 at 8:53 AM, grapeape said:

I really appreciate your diligence buddy. I worry about our newer collectors. The desire to “score” and join the club can override common sense. Inexperience leads to regret.

For newer collectors please go slow and consider buying from dealers and auction houses you can trust to have authentic art work. We talk about them all the time on the boards. You might pay more but you’ll pay for the real thing.

🍇 🦍

I will echo this comment. I was that newbie collector more than a decade ago who bought a (supposed) Kirby Thing piece and Glen provided valuable guidance on the error of my ways, which helped me to return the piece and get my money back. Thanks again @glendgold!

Edited March 9, 2020 by JadeGiant

[glendgold]

14 minutes ago, JadeGiant said:

I will echo this comment. I was that newbie collector more than a decade ago who bought a (supposed) Kirby Thing piece and Glen provided valuable guidance on the error of my ways, which helped me to return the piece and get my money back. Thanks again @glendgold!

Oh, thanks - I'm glad to hear it.

[glendgold]

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/82801642_jack-kirby-1917-1994

craneo rojo es no bueno.

 

 

 

 

[Rick2you2]

On 3/13/2020 at 11:45 AM, glendgold said:

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/82801642_jack-kirby-1917-1994

craneo rojo es no bueno.

 

 

 

 

I think Voodou once wrote that there are real things which show up on Live Auctioneers (my apologies if I am wrong), but I am beginning to wonder whether it is even worth bothering to consider any of their listings. The site's track record is really bad..

[vodou]

1 hour ago, Rick2you2 said:

I think Voodou once wrote that there are real things which show up on Live Auctioneers (my apologies if I am wrong), ...

Yes, I spend at least five figures every year on Liveauctioneers.com.

There's a lot more real than fake there actually.

You have to know your market.

[glendgold]

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/83117258_signed-pencil-drawing-after-jack-kirby?from=alert&utm_source=SavedAlert&utm_campaign=SearchAlert_20190911_B&utm_medium=email&utm_content=item

Another copy from the Roz sketchbook.  Please enjoy the stamp on the back. Clearly the forger thought he deserved to give himself a kind of prize. 

[RBerman]

1 hour ago, glendgold said:

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/83117258_signed-pencil-drawing-after-jack-kirby?from=alert&utm_source=SavedAlert&utm_campaign=SearchAlert_20190911_B&utm_medium=email&utm_content=item

Another copy from the Roz sketchbook.  Please enjoy the stamp on the back. Clearly the forger thought he deserved to give himself a kind of prize. 

At least it says "After Jack Kirby."

[exitmusicblue]

Alternative thread name: "The Great Jake Killby."

[glendgold]

I have to say, this one is pretty hilarious: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/83324208_jack-kirby-american-1917-1994-ink-drawing

Does someone more familiar with contemporary Thor know when this costume started?  It seems to be a salute,  if that's the word, to Journey 83/

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by glendgold

[glendgold]

And a two-fer from the same auction. Fake Kirby Fake Royer:

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/83324150_jack-kirby-american-1917-1994-and-mike-royer

 

 

[ESeffinga]

Fake everything.

After seeing listing after listing of hilariously bad fakes from a who’s who of art royalty, I decided to dig a little deeper. I picked an artists name at random, but whose work I am very familiar with. Not only do they have multiple pieces by this artist (how?!?), but they have the same exact knockoff drawing, done twice, in 2 ways. Hahaha.

They might as well have the Mona Lisa. Or a Mona Lisa prelim pencil on paper. I’m fact, I should search it, it’s probably in there.

Good grief.

 

[vodou]

20 minutes ago, ESeffinga said:

Mona Lisa prelim pencil