Can you guess why you probably shouldn't buy this "Jack Kirby" piece? 2 2

[glendgold]

13 hours ago, malvin said:

I'm not a Kirby expert, but this seller has both a Kirby, a Simonson and a Robinson Batman:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jack-Kirby-Darkseid-Portrait-Signed/254828504576?hash=item3b54f66600:g:-SYAAOSwAXhf975I

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Walt-Simonson-Thor-Sketch-Signed/254828506999?hash=item3b54f66f77:g:AxcAAOSwbYJf977j

I managed to ask Simonson and this was his reply:

 

I can't be sure, but I think this isn't by me. Some of it looks like lines I might draw. I'm inclined to think it's a copy of one of my sketches. The signature in particular does not look like mine, especially on the right side. So I'm not 100% certain, but it seems unlikely.

Malvin

Yeah, I didn't like that Darkseid but by the time I saw it, it was sold. The screwiest thing about it is the reverse side - that circular stamp seems to be the hallmark of someone trying to pass off their work as Kirby.  Ernst S Raab?  Is that whose art we're looking at? 

[malvin]

8 minutes ago, glendgold said:

Yeah, I didn't like that Darkseid but by the time I saw it, it was sold. The screwiest thing about it is the reverse side - that circular stamp seems to be the hallmark of someone trying to pass off their work as Kirby.  Ernst S Raab?  Is that whose art we're looking at? 

I thought it was a Ernst & Raab was a paper or stationary company

Malvin

[glendgold]

Looks like this one took care of itself: https://www.ebay.com/itm/154334109048?_trksid=p2471758.m4704

I'm not sure what the story is here. I wouldn't have rendered an opinion about it one way or the other, but the original was reproduced in the Art of Jack Kirby book and it had no foxing on it, and it isn't yellowed there. So it would be weird if someone had let it get damaged like that in the last 20 years. EDIT: It's a print.

Edited February 23, 2021 by glendgold

[grapeape]

1 hour ago, glendgold said: So it would be weird if someone had let it get damaged like that in the last 20 years. EDIT: It's a print.

Sure passed it off as original pencil in the description. Who the hell was the high bidder at $405? 
Thanks for always catching these.

 

[Latverian Tourism Board]

4 hours ago, grapeape said:

Sure passed it off as original pencil in the description. Who the hell was the high bidder at $405? 
Thanks for always catching these.

 

The description only says “hand drawn,” but without specifics. It’s poorly/cleverly written, too, in order to create subject verb confusion so people can’t really say it’s signed by Jack Kirby, since they threw Cap in there first. Following the language, it was signed by Captain America, and then they outed his secret identity as Jack Kirby! Oh noes!!!!

You can also read it as claiming nothing definitively. Why is eBay letting this go? Odd. I know people here have logged complaints.

[glendgold]

14 minutes ago, Latverian Tourism Board said:

Why is eBay letting this go? Odd. I know people here have logged complaints.

You do know that eBay won't pull dubious Kirbys, right?  It's the wild west out there.

I'm  interested in the thought process of planning on sniping a 1970s Kirby pencil piece of Cap and Bucky for $400, but on the other hand, no, I'm not that interested. Carry on.

[Latverian Tourism Board]

3 hours ago, glendgold said:

You do know that eBay won't pull dubious Kirbys, right?  It's the wild west out there.

I'm  interested in the thought process of planning on sniping a 1970s Kirby pencil piece of Cap and Bucky for $400, but on the other hand, no, I'm not that interested. Carry on.

Of course. Hence the discussion. It just seems like low hanging fruit to prune. This listing comes up a lot. 

Heh, that’s a whole other problem. Beer google bidding?

[Ecclectica]

The hunt to false Ditkos continue... The crudest one I have seen so far :

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/DEDICACE-ORIGINALE-STEVE-DITKO/265092358221?hash=item3db8bc604d:g:aMUAAOSwTQxgInWJ

"You may fire when ready"

Edited March 22, 2021 by Ecclectica

[ThothAmon]

32 minutes ago, Ecclectica said:

The hunt to false Ditkos continue... The crudest one I have seen so far :

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/DEDICACE-ORIGINALE-STEVE-DITKO/265092358221?hash=item3db8bc604d:g:aMUAAOSwTQxgInWJ

"You may fire when ready"

Lol.  1450 100% feedback.

Guess I’ll pick up an original Herges Tintin to save on shipping after I win the Ditko. 

[Latverian Tourism Board]

 

1 hour ago, Ecclectica said:

The hunt to false Ditkos continue... The crudest one I have seen so far :

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/DEDICACE-ORIGINALE-STEVE-DITKO/265092358221?hash=item3db8bc604d:g:aMUAAOSwTQxgInWJ

"You may fire when ready"

I thought of this thread as soon as I saw that piece. Lol. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Latverian Tourism Board

[glendgold]

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/99566665_jack-kirby-signed?from=alert&utm_source=SavedAlert&utm_campaign=SearchAlert_20200423_A&utm_medium=email&utm_content=item

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/99566682_jack-kirby-signed?from=alert&utm_source=SavedAlert&utm_campaign=SearchAlert_20200423_A&utm_medium=email&utm_content=item

Nope and nope. These are copies of existing Kirby sketches (one of them inked by Frank Miller). They didn't even get the back of the paper right.

[grapeape]

Same clown auctioneers.

Same clown fakes.

I hope they burn in 🔥 

[Ecclectica]

A little help would be appreciated to eradicate this one definitely...

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/265185378472

It keeps coming back every month, despite severals "Out !".

One reference, among others : http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/podcast514taketwo.jpg (short version of this url to fit into the Ebay form with your comment : https://bit.ly/3wVMykE )

[glendgold]

1 hour ago, Ecclectica said:

A little help would be appreciated to eradicate this one definitely...

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/265185378472

It keeps coming back every month, despite severals "Out !".

One reference, among others : http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/podcast514taketwo.jpg (short version of this url to fit into the Ebay form with your comment : https://bit.ly/3wVMykE )

C'est dégueulasse!

Also, it's very nice that you're reporting it, but ebay couldn't give a flying intercourse about fraudulent artwork. This will keep showing up for the rest of our lives, so the best thing to do is just try to tolerate it and learn to live with it. Like herpes. 

[glendgold]

Here's a special one. You get a photocopy of 1/2 of Jack's Demon Heimdall model sheet as well as a Steranko Branko photocopy of a piece that Joel Thingvall owns.  I have always loved Branko's work and find his suggestion of a swinging holiday not at all creepy. 

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/original-pencil-drawings-jack-kirby-branko-145-c-B044617993

 

[glendgold]

So: no, this is a copy of one of Jack's New Gods presentations pieces, and if you were wondering how Jack's work ended up in Poland, you might ask the same of Watterson, Peter Max, Miro, Bob Kane, etc.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255103062980?hash=item3b6553d3c4:g:RyYAAOSw6qxg7IGK

https://www.ebay.com/sch/art_for_life/m.html?item=255103062980&mkcid=7&bu=43188547830&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&euid=bdc4438ed9b848afacae7a42a12e89d7&crd=20210822032345&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid&ch=osgood&osub=-1~1&segname=11021&mkpid=0&ut=RU&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

I wouldn't have bothered linking (we are living through a time of waaaay too many forgeries to keep up with), but dude already sold a "Kirby" Hulk, so someone is going to be sad. The broad line work on these isn't the worst I've seen, but he lacks confidence in the detail work.

[Ecclectica]

This new one let me speechless...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224583343112?hash=item344a35dc08%3Ag%3AA7MAAOSwHJphI7Cs&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338181027&customid=958&toolid=10049

[Rick2you2]

On 8/22/2021 at 10:57 AM, glendgold said:

So: no, this is a copy of one of Jack's New Gods presentations pieces, and if you were wondering how Jack's work ended up in Poland, you might ask the same of Watterson, Peter Max, Miro, Bob Kane, etc.

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Polish joke".

[diva_tsarina]

Here’s a piece if your name is Tom, just $14, what a deal... 😂

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224583343112?hash=item344a35dc08:g:A7MAAOSwHJphI7Cs

[Ecclectica]

On 8/24/2021 at 4:30 PM, diva_tsarina said:

Here’s a piece if your name is Tom, just $14, what a deal... 😂

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224583343112?hash=item344a35dc08:g:A7MAAOSwHJphI7Cs

Many of the others sketches he already sold seems to be forgeries IMHO, but I would be glad to hear what you think of them...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Books-Magazines/267/m.html?item=224583343112&toolid=10001&campid=5338116315&customid=CGCForum&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&hash=item344a35dc08%3Ag%3AA7MAAOSwHJphI7Cs&LH_Complete=1&_ssn=davidgoldingart&_sac=1

It's me, or many of them seems to have been done... with the same pen ?