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Can you guess why you probably shouldn't buy this "Jack Kirby" piece?
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15 hours ago, Rick2you2 said:

So many things from the Live Auctioneers' site seem to be forgeries, maybe it is best to steer clear of it in general.

The key if figuring out which auctioneers you can trust, and much more importantly which you can't. No different than eBay actually.

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Now we're  n complete scumbag territory:

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/-1-c-0D341FDA80?utm_source=inv_kwalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=keywordalertlive&utm_term=2

The thing up for auction is a terrible copy of this piece, which was inscribed by Jack to his granddaughter. Whoever forged this is vile.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, aokartman said:

If people think ebay is bad, liveauctioneers is truly the wild west.  Makes you respect the documentation of the major auction houses.  Even there, it is a good idea to do as much research as you can.  David

That confidence comes at a price though - nearly zero arbitrage opportunity (perish the thought, say the four non-stop floor covering dealers ;) ) Wild West = what eBay was twenty years ago before Comic Art was even broken out of Comic Books as a sub-category and (any!) pictures in the listing were considered a frivolous luxury :)

LiveAuctioneers.com rocks for those that lead instead of...following. And don't need a screen full of recent comps to sleep easy at night lol

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2 hours ago, vodou said:

That confidence comes at a price though - nearly zero arbitrage opportunity (perish the thought, say the four non-stop floor covering dealers ;) ) Wild West = what eBay was twenty years ago before Comic Art was even broken out of Comic Books as a sub-category and (any!) pictures in the listing were considered a frivolous luxury :)

LiveAuctioneers.com rocks for those that lead instead of...following. And don't need a screen full of recent comps to sleep easy at night lol

Agree.

At the high end of the original comic art field within major auction houses, you have a good point.  But a one-off winner may take comfort that the win is fully documented and maybe just an increment above the current perceived floor.

Below the high end, there is so much product that even the major houses deliver volume that can't possibly be completely covered by shill bidding.  (One of the great things about original comic art.)  So, the astute collector has a chance there while still getting some comfort cover on authenticity.  

What the casual collector is more likely to encounter in the smaller offbeat "auctions", on any platform, is the spectre of outright deception that might be disguised, overlooked, encouraged, or even perpetrated by a middle person or a seller.  In my opinion.

And, the serious collectors and dealers certainly do follow small auctions.  I remember being at a local live auction which had an Alex Raymond daily which was in a bad state of preservation, but presented OK in the online picture.  I bid into the hundreds, but a remote bid quickly ended the "auction" at about 12 or 15 hundred, I forget.  That is another thing about liveauctioneers, is the lack of proxy bidding, depending on the local house.

David

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31 minutes ago, aokartman said:

Below the high end, there is so much product that even the major houses deliver volume that can't possibly be completely covered by shill bidding.  (One of the great things about original comic art.)  So, the astute collector has a chance there while still getting some comfort cover on authenticity.  

Yes of course, but no arbitrage. You gotta to something other than comic art for that. Thus not rocks :)

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21 hours ago, vodou said:

Yes of course, but no arbitrage. You gotta to something other than comic art for that. Thus not rocks :)

Agree, comic art does not rock for the arbitrage specialist (investor or flipper).

Too much connectivity these days.

I bought many items when I only had dial-up (what's that?).

Not much slipping through the cracks in comic art these days.

David

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1 hour ago, aokartman said:

I bought many items when I only had dial-up (what's that?).

:)

Do you remember when eBay made you jump to a new page to confirm your bid and then after the click it would have to update again before you'd know if your snipe won (or even made the time runoff)?

My dial-up was so slow, I used a track stopwatch (from 1:00 min on the main page) to reduce clock blindness on that middle page!

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On 11/22/2019 at 8:25 AM, glendgold said:

egads.

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On 11/1/2019 at 3:23 PM, glendgold said:

Now we're  n complete scumbag territory:

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/-1-c-0D341FDA80?utm_source=inv_kwalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=keywordalertlive&utm_term=2

The thing up for auction is a terrible copy of this piece, which was inscribed by Jack to his granddaughter. Whoever forged this is vile.

 

 

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Well it was described “in the cartoon style of Jack Kirby” and has a fancy guarantee stamp on the back. So......

 

Just five minutes alone.....the fraudster and my pal Rocco from the Bronx.

 

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2 hours ago, The Voord said:

No artist worth his salt should be without lined notepaper to draw on!

And the collector who “commissioned” this Ron Bonita The UnAmazing Bite-me Man knows, when you get a chance for a drawing you bring your sons homework notebook.

But you blew it!!! You should have left the paper in the notebook next to Timmys English assignment. Could have avoided that big folded crease under Ron Bonita’s signature.

(tsk)

 

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:news:

This just in. A special offer only for grapeape. Because I added the Don Fajita Half Spidey Half Tom Cruise to my eBay watchlist, the seller has offered me this magnificent line paper DaVinci for only $400!!!!!!!!

:takeit:........................:facepalm:

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