CGC, The Only Slabbing Service Allowed Within The Walls Of C2E2/ECCC Until 2020

[Iceman399]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Up until this point, having another viable third-party grader was good for the community.

 

The sentiment was almost unanimous on these boards and everywhere where comics are discussed that a viable competitor entering into the ring was good for the hobby.

 

Now, Comic Wreckers and Popweed push out the competition and it's just business.

 

And please stop using this beverage war example - it shouldn't even remotely be used in the same discussion.

 

On-site grading's greatest selling point is CONVENIENCE. Worry warts who don't want to mail their stuff, and people who want instant gratification build their submission piles probably months or a full calendar year ahead anticipating being able to pick up their books at the end of the show.

 

To take away one of the two choices is unwise, is almost guaranteed to backfire, and is not anything resembling competition.

 

It's a misguided, desperate throwback attempt to return to the monopoly they once held, and screams of a company scared out of their wits that CBCS's market share keeps growing.

 

Totally disagree -- why shouldn't beverage war be used? It's two products or services. It's a competitive advantage and if someone wants to pay or negotiate a deal that gives them exclusivity is fine.

 

Taking away one always backfires? For who? Under what example? How is this going to negatively impact anything?

 

Its been shown in this thread why the beverage comparison doesn't work and shouldn't be used.

 

Would you go to a con if you were limited to only the following vendors:

DC comics

Funko Pops

Mile High

Mattel

Pizza Pizza

Supergirl cast, crew, film, editor

 

or would you prefer to go to the con that has:

DC, Marvel, IDW, DH, Valiant

Funko, Junko, Munko, Trunko

Mile High, Dale, Bob, Rick, Adam

Mattel, Sony, Microsoft, Nerf

Pizza Pizza, Chinese, Wraps, Salad, Steak

Supergirl, Harry Potter, Batman, Anime

 

its a disservice to all attendees to shut out the #2 company.

[MedicAR]

What if the competition sets up a booth in a truck outside the con?

 

That would actually be a brilliant idea.

 

Aside from the fact that it would trespassing if on convention center property. If not on the property, then they will need a business permit, tax license, make sure it doesn't interfere with either pedestrian or automotive traffic...

 

Sure, piece of cake.

[Foolkiller]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Up until this point, having another viable third-party grader was good for the community.

 

The sentiment was almost unanimous on these boards and everywhere where comics are discussed that a viable competitor entering into the ring was good for the hobby.

 

Now, Comic Wreckers and Popweed push out the competition and it's just business.

 

And please stop using this beverage war example - it shouldn't even remotely be used in the same discussion.

 

On-site grading's greatest selling point is CONVENIENCE. Worry warts who don't want to mail their stuff, and people who want instant gratification build their submission piles probably months or a full calendar year ahead anticipating being able to pick up their books at the end of the show.

 

To take away one of the two choices is unwise, is almost guaranteed to backfire, and is not anything resembling competition.

 

It's a misguided, desperate throwback attempt to return to the monopoly they once held, and screams of a company scared out of their wits that CBCS's market share keeps growing.

 

Totally disagree -- why shouldn't beverage war be used? It's two products or services. It's a competitive advantage and if someone wants to pay or negotiate a deal that gives them exclusivity is fine.

 

Taking away one always backfires? For who? Under what example? How is this going to negatively impact anything?

 

Its been shown in this thread why the beverage comparison doesn't work and shouldn't be used.

 

Would you go to a con if you were limited to only the following vendors:

DC comics

Funko Pops

Mile High

Mattel

Pizza Pizza

Supergirl cast, crew, film, editor

 

or would you prefer to go to the con that has:

DC, Marvel, IDW, DH, Valiant

Funko, Junko, Munko, Trunko

Mile High, Dale, Bob, Rick, Adam

Mattel, Sony, Microsoft, Nerf

Pizza Pizza, Chinese, Wraps, Salad, Steak

Supergirl, Harry Potter, Batman, Anime

 

its a disservice to all attendees to shut out the #2 company.

 

I'm not sure if you've shown it or not, but you've obviously made an argument. It's not a disservice to all, and saying that as a conclusory statement really doesn't advance the argument or prove it correct. You have limitations on vendors all the time. There are dealers who are banned from certain conventions. The soft drink comparison or food vendor or whatever is perfect in many ways because that choice is made for you. You can argue that it'd be better to be offered both coke and pepsi at mcdonald's but guess what? you aren't. That choice is made for you.

 

As several others have said, it's a moot point, because CBCS isn't CAPABLE of doing on site grading at these other shows, or at least, it hasn't even tried, so what are they being shut out of?

 

[MedicAR]

I imagine this has already been floated with Megacon and Tampa Bay comicon

Wonder what the reception was?

 

Loser could easily set up in a hotel across the street from the convention center

 

Better than the truck idea.

[1Cool]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Up until this point, having another viable third-party grader was good for the community.

 

The sentiment was almost unanimous on these boards and everywhere where comics are discussed that a viable competitor entering into the ring was good for the hobby.

 

Now, Comic Wreckers and Popweed push out the competition and it's just business.

 

And please stop using this beverage war example - it shouldn't even remotely be used in the same discussion.

 

On-site grading's greatest selling point is CONVENIENCE. Worry warts who don't want to mail their stuff, and people who want instant gratification build their submission piles probably months or a full calendar year ahead anticipating being able to pick up their books at the end of the show.

 

To take away one of the two choices is unwise, is almost guaranteed to backfire, and is not anything resembling competition.

 

It's a misguided, desperate throwback attempt to return to the monopoly they once held, and screams of a company scared out of their wits that CBCS's market share keeps growing.

 

Totally disagree -- why shouldn't beverage war be used? It's two products or services. It's a competitive advantage and if someone wants to pay or negotiate a deal that gives them exclusivity is fine.

 

Taking away one always backfires? For who? Under what example? How is this going to negatively impact anything?

 

Its been shown in this thread why the beverage comparison doesn't work and shouldn't be used.

 

Would you go to a con if you were limited to only the following vendors:

DC comics

Funko Pops

Mile High

Mattel

Pizza Pizza

Supergirl cast, crew, film, editor

 

or would you prefer to go to the con that has:

DC, Marvel, IDW, DH, Valiant

Funko, Junko, Munko, Trunko

Mile High, Dale, Bob, Rick, Adam

Mattel, Sony, Microsoft, Nerf

Pizza Pizza, Chinese, Wraps, Salad, Steak

Supergirl, Harry Potter, Batman, Anime

 

its a disservice to all attendees to shut out the #2 company.

 

Options is always good for the buyer but seeking exclusive deals is so wide spread in business it shouldn't be shock to anyone. Using your example it would be like Marvel and DC combining to keep Black Mask out of the room since they can. Please don't compare CBCS to DC or Marvel - have you seen their new case?

[MedicAR]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Up until this point, having another viable third-party grader was good for the community.

 

The sentiment was almost unanimous on these boards and everywhere where comics are discussed that a viable competitor entering into the ring was good for the hobby.

 

Now, Comic Wreckers and Popweed push out the competition and it's just business.

 

And please stop using this beverage war example - it shouldn't even remotely be used in the same discussion.

 

On-site grading's greatest selling point is CONVENIENCE. Worry warts who don't want to mail their stuff, and people who want instant gratification build their submission piles probably months or a full calendar year ahead anticipating being able to pick up their books at the end of the show.

 

To take away one of the two choices is unwise, is almost guaranteed to backfire, and is not anything resembling competition.

 

It's a misguided, desperate throwback attempt to return to the monopoly they once held, and screams of a company scared out of their wits that CBCS's market share keeps growing.

 

Totally disagree -- why shouldn't beverage war be used? It's two products or services. It's a competitive advantage and if someone wants to pay or negotiate a deal that gives them exclusivity is fine.

 

Taking away one always backfires? For who? Under what example? How is this going to negatively impact anything?

 

Its been shown in this thread why the beverage comparison doesn't work and shouldn't be used.

 

Would you go to a con if you were limited to only the following vendors:

DC comics

Funko Pops

Mile High

Mattel

Pizza Pizza

Supergirl cast, crew, film, editor

 

or would you prefer to go to the con that has:

DC, Marvel, IDW, DH, Valiant

Funko, Junko, Munko, Trunko

Mile High, Dale, Bob, Rick, Adam

Mattel, Sony, Microsoft, Nerf

Pizza Pizza, Chinese, Wraps, Salad, Steak

Supergirl, Harry Potter, Batman, Anime

 

its a disservice to all attendees to shut out the #2 company.

 

Then vote with your wallet. Don't go to the show.

 

That'll show 'em!

[JiveTurkeyMoFo]

 

As several others have said, it's a moot point, because CBCS isn't CAPABLE of doing on site grading at these other shows, or at least, it hasn't even tried, so what are they being shut out of?

 

From that press release, it sounds like they are being shut out of the whole show.

 

I guess Loki said it best: "An ant has no quarrel with a boot".

[InvstmntComcSuply]

 

As several others have said, it's a moot point, because CBCS isn't CAPABLE of doing on site grading at these other shows, or at least, it hasn't even tried, so what are they being shut out of?

 

Booth space

No presence whatsoever at the con

 

This is pretty damaging to a smaller company wanting to present an image that they can run with the big dogs in big national shows.

 

[Iceman399]

 

As several others have said, it's a moot point, because CBCS isn't CAPABLE of doing on site grading at these other shows, or at least, it hasn't even tried, so what are they being shut out of?

 

Its not just on site. They aren't allowed to even have a booth as per Steve P.

 

Of course there are limitations. Vendors are often banned for reasons that make sense:

Product doesn't fit

Too many similar vendors (mystery box junk sellers). 2 Grading companies isn't too many.

Protocol not fallen in a previous event.

[Iceman399]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Up until this point, having another viable third-party grader was good for the community.

 

The sentiment was almost unanimous on these boards and everywhere where comics are discussed that a viable competitor entering into the ring was good for the hobby.

 

Now, Comic Wreckers and Popweed push out the competition and it's just business.

 

And please stop using this beverage war example - it shouldn't even remotely be used in the same discussion.

 

On-site grading's greatest selling point is CONVENIENCE. Worry warts who don't want to mail their stuff, and people who want instant gratification build their submission piles probably months or a full calendar year ahead anticipating being able to pick up their books at the end of the show.

 

To take away one of the two choices is unwise, is almost guaranteed to backfire, and is not anything resembling competition.

 

It's a misguided, desperate throwback attempt to return to the monopoly they once held, and screams of a company scared out of their wits that CBCS's market share keeps growing.

 

Totally disagree -- why shouldn't beverage war be used? It's two products or services. It's a competitive advantage and if someone wants to pay or negotiate a deal that gives them exclusivity is fine.

 

Taking away one always backfires? For who? Under what example? How is this going to negatively impact anything?

 

Its been shown in this thread why the beverage comparison doesn't work and shouldn't be used.

 

Would you go to a con if you were limited to only the following vendors:

DC comics

Funko Pops

Mile High

Mattel

Pizza Pizza

Supergirl cast, crew, film, editor

 

or would you prefer to go to the con that has:

DC, Marvel, IDW, DH, Valiant

Funko, Junko, Munko, Trunko

Mile High, Dale, Bob, Rick, Adam

Mattel, Sony, Microsoft, Nerf

Pizza Pizza, Chinese, Wraps, Salad, Steak

Supergirl, Harry Potter, Batman, Anime

 

its a disservice to all attendees to shut out the #2 company.

 

Options is always good for the buyer but seeking exclusive deals is so wide spread in business it shouldn't be shock to anyone. Using your example it would be like Marvel and DC combining to keep Black Mask out of the room since they can. Please don't compare CBCS to DC or Marvel - have you seen their new case?

 

It is not Marvel and DC keeping out Black Mask.

 

Its number 1 (Marvel based on sales) keeping out number 2 (DC based on sales). If you want to go a bit further saying number 3 DarkHorse (but does PGX even go to shows??)

[comix4fun]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Up until this point, having another viable third-party grader was good for the community.

 

The sentiment was almost unanimous on these boards and everywhere where comics are discussed that a viable competitor entering into the ring was good for the hobby.

 

Now, Comic Wreckers and Popweed push out the competition and it's just business.

 

And please stop using this beverage war example - it shouldn't even remotely be used in the same discussion.

 

On-site grading's greatest selling point is CONVENIENCE. Worry warts who don't want to mail their stuff, and people who want instant gratification build their submission piles probably months or a full calendar year ahead anticipating being able to pick up their books at the end of the show.

 

To take away one of the two choices is unwise, is almost guaranteed to backfire, and is not anything resembling competition.

 

It's a misguided, desperate throwback attempt to return to the monopoly they once held, and screams of a company scared out of their wits that CBCS's market share keeps growing.

 

 

Does CBCS even offer onsite grading?

[Dr Chaos]

For those who are saying that you can just mail your books to the other grading company you are clearly ignoring signature series. If there is only one grading company at the show you do not have too many choices when it comes to getting witnessed signatures.

[Sqeggs]

Will they slab any comic or only certain eras or price points?

 

I'm hoping for golden age.

 

I believe they'll slab anything when they do onsite grading.

 

 

No magazines on-site. As far as books that are thick like fireside books, etc...I am not sure. Would be worth asking before lugging the books to the show.

 

Makes sense. In the back of my mind, I was thinking they didn't do magazines onsite.

 

Do they do Golden Age?

 

Everything but magazines. So, if you had a GA book that was oversized and required a magazine-size slab, that might be a problem.

[comix4fun]

For those who are saying that you can just mail your books to the other grading company you are clearly ignoring signature series. If there is only one grading company at the show you do not have too many choices when it comes to getting witnessed signatures.

 

Except there's no restriction on attending witnesses and facilitators.

[mschmidt]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Up until this point, having another viable third-party grader was good for the community.

 

The sentiment was almost unanimous on these boards and everywhere where comics are discussed that a viable competitor entering into the ring was good for the hobby.

 

Now, Comic Wreckers and Popweed push out the competition and it's just business.

 

And please stop using this beverage war example - it shouldn't even remotely be used in the same discussion.

 

On-site grading's greatest selling point is CONVENIENCE. Worry warts who don't want to mail their stuff, and people who want instant gratification build their submission piles probably months or a full calendar year ahead anticipating being able to pick up their books at the end of the show.

 

To take away one of the two choices is unwise, is almost guaranteed to backfire, and is not anything resembling competition.

 

It's a misguided, desperate throwback attempt to return to the monopoly they once held, and screams of a company scared out of their wits that CBCS's market share keeps growing.

 

 

Does CBCS even offer onsite grading?

 

They don't.

 

They've done the whole "bring books back to HQ, slab books, bring back to show" thing for Megacon, but they've never done onsite grading at a show - nor have they announced that they were suddenly going to start doing it next year.

[comicwiz]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Brian I buy products and use both companies but if I was on site I would like to have to option to use both, maybe meet the people behind the scenes too. I would always prefer to have a choice rather than have someone try to dictate that choice to me.

 

The problem is one company is capable of onsite and the other isn't. It's unlikely any show will ever entertain having both companies do onsite for space considerations.

 

A conference center that can't accomodate multiple grading room areas shouldn't be allowed to hold a comic-con. Period.

 

Then you're showing your ignorance.

 

Explain to the ignorant masses why a conference center cannot accomodate "space considerations" unless they have two airplane hangars installed.

[VintageComics]

As several others have said, it's a moot point, because CBCS isn't CAPABLE of doing on site grading at these other shows, or at least, it hasn't even tried, so what are they being shut out of?

 

Just got caught up. It's more than just onsite, which is what I was not sure about.

 

There will be no CBCS presence at those two shows.

 

And I don't think the analogy of dealers being banned from shows is proper either. There's usually a nefarious reason a dealer is banned from a show. Either they don't pay their bills, they have some sort of a quarrel with the promoter or they are direct competition for the promoter of the show.

 

And just to give you an idea of why Comicwhiz and I are on the side of preferring competition, we lived through this with 2 quarreling Comic conventions in the Toronto area for a very long time. In the end, anyone involved with the conventions suffered and nothing good came of it.

 

 

[comicwiz]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Up until this point, having another viable third-party grader was good for the community.

 

The sentiment was almost unanimous on these boards and everywhere where comics are discussed that a viable competitor entering into the ring was good for the hobby.

 

Now, Comic Wreckers and Popweed push out the competition and it's just business.

 

And please stop using this beverage war example - it shouldn't even remotely be used in the same discussion.

 

On-site grading's greatest selling point is CONVENIENCE. Worry warts who don't want to mail their stuff, and people who want instant gratification build their submission piles probably months or a full calendar year ahead anticipating being able to pick up their books at the end of the show.

 

To take away one of the two choices is unwise, is almost guaranteed to backfire, and is not anything resembling competition.

 

It's a misguided, desperate throwback attempt to return to the monopoly they once held, and screams of a company scared out of their wits that CBCS's market share keeps growing.

 

Does CBCS even offer onsite grading?

 

It's still a drop-off access point that could benefit people getting creator signatures, who have a four/five/six figure book they don't want to chance shipping, or who visit more than one con (i.e. making arrangements to pick up their books at a later show).

 

They can't even be there at all.

[comicwiz]

As several others have said, it's a moot point, because CBCS isn't CAPABLE of doing on site grading at these other shows, or at least, it hasn't even tried, so what are they being shut out of?

 

Just got caught up. It's more than just onsite, which is what I was not sure about.

 

There will be no CBCS presence at those two shows.

 

And I don't think the analogy of dealers being banned from shows is proper either. There's usually a nefarious reason a dealer is banned from a show. Either they don't pay their bills, they have some sort of a quarrel with the promoter or they are direct competition for the promoter of the show.

 

And just to give you an idea of why Comicwhiz and I are on the side of preferring competition, we lived through this with 2 quarreling Comic conventions in the Toronto area for a very long time. In the end, anyone involved with the conventions suffered and nothing good came of it.

 

 

No kidding.

 

And there's no "H" in comicwiz, just like there no "H" in YUGE

[mschmidt]

Basic business practice.

 

Smart on the part of CGC.

 

Nothing else to say.

 

Moving along...

 

 

Maybe but still bad for the consumers [us] so why would that make you happy?

 

How is it bad for you? You can send all the books you like to CBCS via the mail. When you walk in McDonald's and they only have coke, nobody says, well jeez, can't eat here, I must have a choice!

 

As for CBCS going and making an attempt to buy exclusive access to set up at a show two problems:

 

1) if it's a small show, it has to be one that CGC is doing and they've gained an advantage -- and you have to crunch the economics of whether they will take in enough submissions at said show to justify the cost. They may not.

 

2) At a larger show to directly compete to convince the show promoter to shut out CGC may be tough. By offering on site grading, they are giving the show promoter something that's unique and raises the cache of the show. CBCS doesn't have anything to offer other than money, which CGC could easily match or outspend. I wouldn't get into the trap for CBCS, I'd simply go about business as usual.

 

Up until this point, having another viable third-party grader was good for the community.

 

The sentiment was almost unanimous on these boards and everywhere where comics are discussed that a viable competitor entering into the ring was good for the hobby.

 

Now, Comic Wreckers and Popweed push out the competition and it's just business.

 

And please stop using this beverage war example - it shouldn't even remotely be used in the same discussion.

 

On-site grading's greatest selling point is CONVENIENCE. Worry warts who don't want to mail their stuff, and people who want instant gratification build their submission piles probably months or a full calendar year ahead anticipating being able to pick up their books at the end of the show.

 

To take away one of the two choices is unwise, is almost guaranteed to backfire, and is not anything resembling competition.

 

It's a misguided, desperate throwback attempt to return to the monopoly they once held, and screams of a company scared out of their wits that CBCS's market share keeps growing.

 

Does CBCS even offer onsite grading?

 

It's still a drop-off access point that could benefit people getting signatures, or who visit more than one con (i.e. making arrangements to pick up their books at a later show).

 

They can't even be there at all.

 

Wasn't there a smaller show last year where CBCS was flaunting the fact that they were the "official grading partner" of the show and CGC wasn't allowed have a booth?

 

Oddly enough, at that time everyone on the "other" board thought that that was a splendid idea & were rejoicing that CBCS was sticking it to the market leader