Evidently Newton Rings are just a fact of life now 1 1

[Paul_Maul]

I've picked up about six new style slabs in the last few months and none have had Newton Rings. I just got one in the mail today that has a pretty serious case of them. Interestingly, all the previous ones were the "modern era" inner well (without "walls") and this one has the walls. Could that be relevant?

Fortunately the rings don't bother me much since I know the book is unharmed.

Edited July 14, 2017 by Paul_Maul

[Paul_Maul]

I haven't read every thread about this...but does anyone understand why this phenomenon happens sometimes, but not always?

Also, I have seen Newton rings on regular mylars. I sometimes put a comic size Mylar inside a magazine sized Mylar/fullback for added protection and I sometimes see some minor Newton effect there.

[ADAMANTIUM]

36 minutes ago, Paul_Maul said:

I haven't read every thread about this...but does anyone understand why this phenomenon happens sometimes, but not always?

Also, I have seen Newton rings on regular mylars. I sometimes put a comic size Mylar inside a magazine sized Mylar/fullback for added protection and I sometimes see some minor Newton effect there.

Personally I think "a" factor is weather, air flow, humidity etc. It's not the "only" factor, but I would argue that the "case" is not the "only" factor either. So really idk and I don't think that it can be pinpointed... I have low-grade comics in the old case before they messed with the label, that I display in my comic room and they get more newton rings than those with the new case put up in a CGC box....

[The Milkman]

Weather, air flow and humidity have nothing to do with Newton Rings.  It's not moisture in the air or in the slab.  It is an optical phenomenon only.  It happens when the mylar is pressed tight against the hard plastic shell.  For some reason, when they are putting slabs together, they can't consistently do it so that the inner mylar isn't pressing hard against the outer shell every time.  That is why that when you request the larger sized outer case it gets rid of the rings - because there is space in between the mylar and the outer shell.

Edited July 26, 2017 by AndyJibb

[ADAMANTIUM]

2 minutes ago, AndyJibb said:

Weather, air flow and humidity have nothing to do with Newton Rings.  It's not moisture in the air or in the slab.  It is an optical phenomenon only.  It happens when the mylar is pressed tight against the hard plastic shell.  For some reason, when they are putting slabs together, they can't consistently do it so that the inner mylar isn't pressing hard against the outer shell every time.  That is why that when you request the larger sized outer case it gets rid of the rings - because there is space in between the mylar and the outer shell.

If there is space, do you end up with it shaking inside the case? 

[The Milkman]

Just now, ADAMANTIUM said:

If there is space, do you end up with it shaking inside the case? 

Interestingly, no.  It is just enough extra space (1-2 mm) so that it's not packed tightly inside.  But not enough space that the book is loose.

[I like pie]

My latest batch of "acceptable" amount of rings. 28 books total. Almost half have the same degree.

CGC wasn't able to case them in the thicker cases anymore, which almost completely eliminates the rings.

My only choice is to suck it or switch to an inferior company.

 

 

[The Milkman]

On ‎10‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 5:32 PM, I like pie said:

My latest batch of "acceptable" amount of rings. 28 books total. Almost half have the same degree.

CGC wasn't able to case them in the thicker cases anymore, which almost completely eliminates the rings.

My only choice is to suck it or switch to an inferior company.

 

 

Damn, that's horrible.  I don't know how they can call that "acceptable."  This is making it so hard for me to want to submit books anymore.

[spooncomic]

Read this about paper conservation: 

I hope the owners of this forum no band my comments due they don't they have a biz based on encapsule comics.

[namisgr]

Mylar polyester is approved by The Library of Congress for the indefinite -term care of paper products (hundreds of years).  If it's good enough for the Constitution of the United States, it's probably okay for a Hulk 181, too.

I see you think this topic important enough to have made posts in multiple threads.  

 

Edited March 10, 2018 by namisgr

[lizards2]

23 minutes ago, namisgr said:

Mylar polyester is approved by The Library of Congress for the indefinite -term care of paper products (hundreds of years).  If it's good enough for the Constitution of the United States, it's probably okay for a Hulk 181, too.

I see you think this topic important enough to have made posts in multiple threads.  

 

Those people are aligned with educational/industrial/bureaucratic-complex.  Not sure they should be trusted.

[WEB_SLINGER2000]

I just got my 9.8 CGC Venom #1 signed by Bagley and McFarlane and, sure enough, it has rings. Not as terrible as some pics here, but they are there. I care some. But since it seems to happen to a lot of collectors, I don't let it bother me much.