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[joecgcmaniac]

20 minutes ago, mrmitchgro said:

Hello all, I’ve got a situation to run by the group... I made an offer via PM for a book in Rick’s thread this afternoon, got a counter, then accepted via PM. Rick didn’t see it right away, and another boardie posted the take in the thread. At this point Rick has decided to give it to the thread taker, but he and I both thought it was a good idea to discuss here. I know these calls depend on the rules in each thread, so for reference, Rick’s rule in this case was, “  trumps PM.” 

From his perspective, that meant even a full take via PM would be trumped by the thread take. I interpreted that as PM negotiations would be trumped by a thread take but that a PM take should be accepted. 

Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom, and thanks to Rick for discussing this via PM like a sane person - how refreshing is that for the internet!  

In this case,  in the thread would trump any  in the PM.

[EC ed]

Oh boy...the recurring dilemma. I'm not sure that " trumps PM" is that clear cut...how do "we" know whether that phrasing means that "in the thread trumps  in a PM"? Maybe that's what seller meant...but the rule didn't say that. As phrased, it could also mean " anywhere trumps ongoing PM negotiations"...

I'd say that to a neutral reader, " trumps PM" is pretty ambiguous. Kind of in the same category as "usual rules apply."  That is, in the end, it means what the seller wants it to mean...which is a bad way to configure the terms of a sales thread...because it leads to stuff like this. I'd say that because of the ambiguity in the phrasing of the "rule," I guess the seller should make the call as to who gets the book, and that's the end of it. Having said that, if I were the seller, once I made a (counter)offer proposal to a buyer in a PM, and the buyer then PM'd that they accepted that offer, the deal would be done right then and there. 

Food for thought...if the PM buyer had immediately posted in the thread " via PM," would it go to the PM buyer, or would it go to the buyer who posted  without the PM discussion? If the former, why is it so important that the PM buyer consummates the deal in the thread immediately...the deal was agreed to by the PM buyer nonetheless.... 

 

Edited July 10, 2018 by EC ed

[Ricksneatstuff]

Food for thought...if the PM buyer had immediately posted in the thread " via PM," would it go to the PM buyer, or would it go to the buyer who posted  without the PM discussion? If the former, why is it so important that the PM buyer consummates the deal in the thread immediately...the deal was agreed to by the PM buyer nonetheless.... 

 

For me- my intention has been whoever posts it first in the thread wins. I get that it is not perfect, especially for buyers who prefer not to publicly post. I feel the other method would not be perfect either. If a book is still advertised for sale and I take it and then am told it was sold previously through PM but not posted I would not like that either. To me- the fairest has been the Take It or “Sold by PM” in the thread. 

I bought a Large book here on the boards once where I was the in the thread take it maybe one minute after a PM acceptance.  I was awarded the book by the seller and the PM buyer accepted that as well. It seemed right to me and so I followed suit in my Sales threads.  

I will come up with clearer language for my rules. 

Mitch is a cool guy and I am glad we can have an open reasonable discussion about it. Nobody needs to lawyer up yet. 

Edited July 10, 2018 by Ricksneatstuff

[Black_Adam]

1 hour ago, mrmitchgro said:

Hello all, I’ve got a situation to run by the group... I made an offer via PM for a book in Rick’s thread this afternoon, got a counter, then accepted via PM. Rick didn’t see it right away, and another boardie posted the take in the thread. At this point Rick has decided to give it to the thread taker, but he and I both thought it was a good idea to discuss here. I know these calls depend on the rules in each thread, so for reference, Rick’s rule in this case was, “  trumps PM.” 

From his perspective, that meant even a full take via PM would be trumped by the thread take. I interpreted that as PM negotiations would be trumped by a thread take but that a PM take should be accepted. 

Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom, and thanks to Rick for discussing this via PM like a sane person - how refreshing is that for the internet!  

I've only ever been a buyer, not a seller, but to me the  emoji is like cash on the barrelhead and should take precedence over any ongoing negotiation. That's why I think it's so important, the instant you conclude the deal through PMs (or accept a counter), to return to the thread ASAP as the buyer and stamp it "Take via PM!" 

But that's just my 

[BuscemasAvengers]

Would the "book is on hold" phrase, posted by the seller in the thread while negotiations with a serious buyer continue via PM, be of any assistance? There are negatives to that phrase as well, but to me it signals to the rest of potential buyers a serious negotiation is occurring, one which the seller is comfortable in doing. Would be interesting to identify %'s of deals closed via , and deals closed closed via PM ...

[1Cool]

I always state the I'll Take It is set by time stamp and it doesn't matter if you take it in the thread or via PM.  Now if someone sends me an offer and I respond with a counter offer and someone takes it in the thread before they respond with a I'll take It then the book goes to the thread buyer.  But if the PM buyers says "I'll take it" a second before the thread buyers post up their I'll take It then it goes to the PM buyer. 

[EC ed]

21 minutes ago, 1Cool said:

I'll Take It is set by time stamp and it doesn't matter if you take it in the thread or via PM.

That is the policy that I prefer (and the one that I use in my sales threads) - it's fair, and clearly stated. 

22 minutes ago, 1Cool said:

Now if someone sends me an offer and I respond with a counter offer and someone takes it in the thread before they respond with a I'll take It then the book goes to the thread buyer.  But if the PM buyers says "I'll take it" a second before the thread buyers post up their I'll take It then it goes to the PM buyer. 

Absolutely - well said.

[KPR Comics]

Not clear cut, but you two have handled it and yourselves admirably.  Well done.

[entalmighty1]

A surprising interaction of level headed and thoughtful people.  I'm not sure what website I'm on, but I hope to return here often.

[skypinkblu]

2 hours ago, 1Cool said:

I always state the I'll Take It is set by time stamp and it doesn't matter if you take it in the thread or via PM.  Now if someone sends me an offer and I respond with a counter offer and someone takes it in the thread before they respond with a I'll take It then the book goes to the thread buyer.  But if the PM buyers says "I'll take it" a second before the thread buyers post up their I'll take It then it goes to the PM buyer. 

I'm one of those people who does not like to post take its in threads. I will on occasion, but most of the time I do not. I'm not necessarily asking for anything extra, but I don't always like advertising what I'm buying.

and it's not because I'm hiding stuff from my husband, lol...he knows, I just don't feel comfortable sometimes.

So I'm very very aware of others who like to buy by PM and I've always said that the time stamp counts no matter where it is...but here is the problem.

Does anyone know how to figure the exact time stamp in a PM with this software?

[DeadOne]

12 minutes ago, skypinkblu said:

Does anyone know how to figure the exact time stamp in a PM with this software?

I don't think you can.
I also do not think it shows if a PM has been edited.

The only way I can think of is to have the PM notifications sent to email, and then go by the timestamp of the email. This would also be the only way (besides quoting or screen capture) to save the original, un-edited PM.

[DeadOne]

Just now, DeadOne said:

17 minutes ago, skypinkblu said:

Does anyone know how to figure the exact time stamp in a PM with this software?

I don't think you can.
I also do not think it shows if a PM has been edited.

The only way I can think of is to have the PM notifications sent to email, and then go by the timestamp of the email. This would also be the only way (besides quoting or screen capture) to save the original, un-edited PM.

In other words, be careful with the PM system on these new boards.

[Ryan.]

Usual rules apply.

[EC ed]

1 hour ago, DeadOne said:

1 hour ago, skypinkblu said:

Does anyone know how to figure the exact time stamp in a PM with this software?

I don't think you can.
I also do not think it shows if a PM has been edited.

The only way I can think of is to have the PM notifications sent to email, and then go by the timestamp of the email. This would also be the only way (besides quoting or screen capture) to save the original, un-edited PM.

This is a very good point that I hadn't thought of yet...and needs some discussion! I can't believe we haven't had serious drama (at least that I know of) stemming from this problem yet.

So, even if we have PMs sent to e-mail, the imprecision of the software timing display still seems to be a problem. For example, suppose I'm running a sales thread per my usual "time stamp anywhere wins" rule. I go to sleep at 11pm, and wake up and check my sales thread at 6am. I have an e-mail of a PM "take it" notification with an e-mail time of, say, 1:20am. There's also a "take it" posted in the sales thread, and the only time information on that sales thread post says "5 hours ago" (which seems to be the precision with which this software displays post timing). Which one was first?? The sales thread post could have been at 1:15am...but it also could have been at 1:25am. What do we do??? 

[DeadOne]

1 minute ago, EC ed said:

1 hour ago, DeadOne said:

1 hour ago, skypinkblu said:

Does anyone know how to figure the exact time stamp in a PM with this software?

I don't think you can.
I also do not think it shows if a PM has been edited.

The only way I can think of is to have the PM notifications sent to email, and then go by the timestamp of the email. This would also be the only way (besides quoting or screen capture) to save the original, un-edited PM.

This is a very good point that I hadn't thought of yet...and needs some discussion! I can't believe we haven't had serious drama (at least that I know of) stemming from this problem yet.

So, even if we have PMs sent to e-mail, the imprecision of the software timing display still seems to be a problem. For example, suppose I'm running a sales thread per my usual "time stamp anywhere wins" rule. I go to sleep at 11pm, and wake up and check my sales thread at 6am. I have an e-mail of a PM "take it" notification with an e-mail time of, say, 1:20am. There's also a "take it" posted in the sales thread, and the only time information on that sales thread post says "5 hours ago" (which seems to be the precision with which this software displays post timing). Which one was first?? The sales thread post could have been at 1:15am...but it also could have been at 1:25am. What do we do??? 

It's crazy.

The only thing I can think of is to make a stipulation in the rules of the sales thread that any book will be available for purchase until it is officially marked as claimed by either the buyer of the seller. Even then, 

The not being marked as edited bothers me as well.
What's to stop someone from claiming a book via PM at a specific price, then going back later to alter the price. Unless the seller has PMs sent to email, there would be no way to know. An honest seller could technically be put on the PL by a dishonest buyer for not honoring the "fake" agreed upon price without proof to back it up.
In this situation I would tell sellers to protect yourself by always quoting any price or stipulations given in a PM.... buyers too, I guess.

Or just  like everything else around here.

[Jeffro.]

1 hour ago, Ryan. said:

Usual rules apply.

I should start a sales thread that states "unusual rules apply" and then just make up a bunch of crazy crap.

1 - "Take it" must be followed by the words, "My Lord". Take it w/My Lord trumps all PM negotiations. Failure to post "My Lord" may not secure you the comic if another buyer posts "Take it"  with "My Lord" before you do 
2 - All payments must include two extra half pennies
3 - I reserve the right to call all buyers by random pet names
4 - Decision of the marmoset is final
5 - Every third buyer gets a random gift, which may include (but is not limited to) pocket lint, a cookie, unsolicited romantic advice, a 20 year old video arcade token, and pornographic images with all the good parts blacked out.

 

Edited July 10, 2018 by Jerkfro

[DR.X]

6. Must have watched " The Godmonster of Indian Flats back to back.

[porcupine48]

1 hour ago, Jerkfro said:

I should start a sales thread that states "unusual rules apply" and then just make up a bunch of crazy crap.

1 - "Take it" must be followed by the words, "My Lord". Take it w/My Lord trumps all PM negotiations. Failure to post "My Lord" may not secure you the comic if another buyer posts "Take it"  with "My Lord" before you do 
2 - All payments must include two extra half pennies
3 - I reserve the right to call all buyers by random pet names
4 - Decision of the marmoset is final
5 - Every third buyer gets a random gift, which may include (but is not limited to) pocket lint, a cookie, unsolicited romantic advice, a 20 year old video arcade token, and pornographic images with all the good parts blacked out.

 

I'm pretty interested in the arcade token.

[DR.X]

3 minutes ago, porcupine48 said:

I'm pretty interested in the arcade token.

how about throw in an eye ball plucking?

[porcupine48]

2 minutes ago, DR.X said:

how about throw in an eye ball plucking?

Up to the marmoset I guess.Unless you take him/her out.