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[Gnasher]

You probably have mention of this somewhere in the thread I'm sure, but this is the first example of a Still 1/- that I've seen. It begs the question (for me at least,) as to whether there were examples in the uk pence market similar to that of the  30/35 cents variants in the U.S. of A?

[Get Marwood & I]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

You probably have mention of this somewhere in the thread I'm sure, but this is the first example of a Still 1/- that I've seen. It begs the question (for me at least,) as to whether there were examples in the uk pence market similar to that of the  30/35 cents variants in the U.S. of A?

Nice!

ASM #101 has it too, as do the other titles for October 1971:

if you look at the US copies, you can see the 'Still' is on them - here's my old cents copy:

So all I think has happened is that the US price has been overwritten by the UK price and they didn't bother to block out the 'still' wording. The ASM is a good example of how crudely it was done. I don't think it implies there are any variants out there Gnash but I'd love it if it did! 

[Get Marwood & I]

@Gnasher

 

  

 

[Gnasher]

38 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I Live! said:

Nice!

ASM #101 has it too, as do the other titles for October 1971:

if you look at the US copies, you can see the 'Still' is on them - here's my old cents copy:

So all I think has happened is that the US price has been overwritten by the UK price and they didn't bother to block out the 'still' wording. The ASM is a good example of how crudely it was done. I don't think it implies there are any variants out there Gnash but I'd love it if it did! 

I knew I could rely on you for this...

Of course, what is strange is that by October 1971, the UK was already into 9 months of decimilisation. So I guessing now this was  Marvel's way of heralding a price increase to 6 new pence, which would work out to a 2d increase.

[Harry Lime]

Hey, I have one of them!

 

But the still wouldn't last long. By the very next month we had dropped LSD for the last time and were in the grim, concrete clad, tartan turn-up wearing land of decimalisation forever. 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Harry Lime

[Get Marwood & I]

52 minutes ago, Harry Lime said:

Hey, I have one of them!

'Still' a shilling, and 'still' we wait for a Limey review...

[Get Marwood & I]

9d    9d    9d    9d    9d

[Get Marwood & I]

Another example of a scenario which strengthens my 'what doesn't exist in pence' arguments earlier in the thread.

Tales to Astonish has yet to yield a 9, 11 and 12:

A UK seller lists an original owner run on eBay:

• 9 is missing
• 10 is a pence
• 11 is missing
• 12 is a cents
• 13, 14 and 15 are pence 

When I PM him he advises as follows: "All books bought from new in the UK"

So it all fits. Time and time again, this is the pattern I see.

The books were lovely by the way, but far too rich for me. Some very impressive prices if you check ebay sold.

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[VintageComics]

3 hours ago, Get Marwood & I Live! said:

ASM #101 has it too, as do the other titles for October 1971:

if you look at the US copies, you can see the 'Still' is on them - here's my old cents copy:

So all I think has happened is that the US price has been overwritten by the UK price and they didn't bother to block out the 'still' wording. The ASM is a good example of how crudely it was done. I don't think it implies there are any variants out there Gnash but I'd love it if it did! 

I'd be most curious to know if the price was over written or reprinted.

[Get Marwood & I]

4 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

I'd be most curious to know if the price was over written or reprinted.

It looks like the plate was scratched out Roy - crudely in this case - and a shilling price was added. 

 

It's a shame there isn't a detailed description or video showing exactly how it was done. The stuff I've seen online has been grainy and inconclusive. And if I'm honest, when people from the printing industry describe it to me in writing, I can never actually envisage it. 

 

[Get Marwood & I]

Here's an old Alan Class reprint and it's original printing plate which I picked up a while ago. You can see where the 5p on the plate corresponds with the book.

Follow my logic @VintageComics Roy. If I scratched out a square around the 5p on the plate it would print a corresponding white square on the comic. If I made a square block the same size as the square I'd etched out, and etched a 12c price into it, it would print 12c on the book. 

So I'm assuming someone etched out the 15c and curtis circulation on the ASM 101 plate, and replaced it with a raised shilling price.

What do you think?

[Get Marwood & I]

Evening all 

Even though I no longer actively collect Marvel books, I do like to pick up the occasional hard to find early pence copy when I can, especially when they're reasonably priced. And by that, I mean priced with pence prices. Heh heh. They all laughed when I said I'd be a comedian! Well they're not laughing now!

Shut up.

Anyroad (Fred Elliott), those in the know of the know all knowing knowledge know that TGK 62 is one of those hard to find pence books. It's uncommonly rare and doesn't often show it's face. The cents copy isn't that prolific either come to think of it, but here's the pence copy in all it's splendour:

 

Who can resist a bit of Moose Morgan anyway? Nice book. 61 is also an uncommonly rare book in pence. So I was happy to snag a copy of that too - here she be:

 

Nothing like a stand off with a Snark while Nancy lets her hair down for you (bonus points for Prefab Sprout references in this thread).

But why stop there! Here's the oddly more common, but rather more prestigious, numero Sixtenhausen:

 

Peeown!

They say that old Ben Dancer was a private man, but would dance for money and do what you want him to do (point deductions for Turner references in this thread, unless accompanied by Ike. Not The Reverend Ike though, of Derek and Clive fame).

Here's a peak inside TGK60, at the Thorpe & Porter indicia slaughter (which looks just how it oughta)...

 

...and the splash:

 

Look at my splash! Batman Begins? The TGK beat him to it. He begun foist.

Now TGK #60 is famed for it's 'hand written issue number' variant, of which this copy is one:

 

Those in the know of the know all knowing knowledge know this. But those in the complete knowing of the full know all knowing knowledge know further; they know that all TGK60's had hand written numbers. Cents too. 

You can Google it if you like. After all, I only have the one copy to evidence the phenomenomenom (never say that word when eating a toffee) so why take my word for it?

Or do I......? 

[Get Marwood & I]

A few posts back I pontificated on which books may or may not have pence copies, based on the presence or otherwise of the cent price fonts. One of the books I believe should have a pence copy is Battle #70. It hasn't thrown up a copy yet, but I look regularly and found a good example of a sun faded copy on the bay.

I used to collect Amazing Spidey printing errors - had about 100 at one point - so always enjoyed rifling through the genuine ones and the sun faded copies that sellers would insist were rare variants (despite the back covers always having full colour!).

Often, a price sticker would come to the rescue if there was any doubt - see below and you'll see what I mean:

 

 

Note also one is a 'bold' cents copy, the other a 'tall' one. So maybe a pence is out there somewhere....

Here endeth the lesson! 

  

 

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said:

Evening all 

Even though I no longer actively collect Marvel books, I do like to pick up the occasional hard to find early pence copy when I can, especially when they're reasonably priced. And by that, I mean priced with pence prices. Heh heh. They all laughed when I said I'd be a comedian! Well they're not laughing now!

Shut up.

Anyroad (Fred Elliott), those in the know of the know all knowing knowledge know that TGK 62 is one of those hard to find pence books. It's uncommonly rare and doesn't often show it's face. The cents copy isn't that prolific either come to think of it, but here's the pence copy in all it's splendour:

 

Who can resist a bit of Moose Morgan anyway? Nice book. 61 is also an uncommonly rare book in pence. So I was happy to snag a copy of that too - here she be:

 

Nothing like a stand off with a Snark while Nancy lets her hair down for you (bonus points for Prefab Sprout references in this thread).

But why stop there! Here's the oddly more common, but rather more prestigious, numero Sixtenhausen:

 

Peeown!

They say that old Ben Dancer was a private man, but would dance for money and do what you want him to do (point deductions for Turner references in this thread, unless accompanied by Ike. Not The Reverend Ike though, of Derek and Clive fame).

Here's a peak inside TGK60, at the Thorpe & Porter indicia slaughter (which looks just how it oughta)...

 

...and the splash:

 

Look at my splash! Batman Begins? The TGK beat him to it. He begun foist.

Now TGK #60 is famed for it's 'hand written issue number' variant, of which this copy is one:

 

Those in the know of the know all knowing knowledge know this. But those in the complete knowing of the full know all knowing knowledge know further; they know that all TGK60's had hand written numbers. Cents too. 

You can Google it if you like. After all, I only have the one copy to evidence the phenomenomenom (never say that word when eating a toffee) so why take my word for it?

Or do I......? 

Just a flying visit, or are you digging in? Nice to see you back, yer fronts not too good though... 

[Get Marwood & I]

On we go.

In my post here from page five I show the three differences between the pence copies of ASM #1 and it's centless cousin:

 

On 7/30/2017 at 6:26 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

An overcast Sunday afternoon in Englandville and all is quiet on the Pence front. No new finds, no responses to my 'do these exist' pontifications and no comic fairs due for ages.

Harrumph! 

Still, I suppose we can always take out our Spidey #1 and gaze in admiration at the three pence distinctions (over the inferior US of A version that is )? Why not.

The first, and most obvious distinction is the price of '9d', which stands of course for '9 donkeys'. Or it could be denarius, I forget which 

So much nicer than cents I feel. I mean, who in their right mind would want to talk cents!

 

Next up, we have the 'missing date in the number box'. Always better to keep them guessing I feel, though I vaguely recall it being down to how long it took to ship things. Could be confusing I suppose, a March dated comic arriving in May ("Hey, Mum, this comic is out of date! No fair!" "Just buy it Timothy, it will be worth a fortune in 60 years time and you'll be able to swap it for a car." "Oh. OK Mum"). 

 

Our third and final difference is the indicia page, with its additional line of distribution date:

 

Thorpe & Porter! (can we fix it) Thorpe & Porter! (yes we can!) 

So, a pretty thing. Enjoy.

 

 

Those differences again (Mr Plow):

1. Price (duh!)
2. Missing month in the issue box
3. Thorpe & Porter indicia

I saw some speculation in a thread elsewhere once about trying pass off a pence copy as a cents, by removing the cover price. I joined in, mentioned the other two differences, and was ignored. No change there.

Sure enough, someone has had a go at it - look at this ebay listing here:

 

Hmmm. The copy conveniently has its price and date box removed 

A closer look:

 

But look - they haven't torn off the bottom so, if it is a pence copy, the indicia will give the game away with a Thorpe & Porter logo.

If you think about it, assuming it's a pence copy:

1. CGC missed it. Don't they read my threads? 
2. The buyer will pay 'cents' prices
3. Mycomicshop are selling it (in good faith)

Not very satisfactory is it?

I wish someone would buy it and crack it open. Of course, it may just be a brutalised cents copy. But can you think of another reason to cut away the date and price? There are unscrupulous people out there.... possibly called Brian 

[Get Marwood & I]

11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Just a flying visit, or are you digging in? Nice to see you back, yer fronts not too good though... 

Y fronts? 

[Gnasher]

Just now, Get Marwood & I said:

Y fronts? 

Because jockeys. 

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said:

On we go.

In my post here from page five I show the three differences between the pence copies of ASM #1 and it's centless cousin:

 

 

Those differences again (Mr Plow):

1. Price (duh!)
2. Missing month in the issue box
3. Thorpe & Porter indicia

I saw some speculation in a thread elsewhere once about trying pass off a pence copy as a cents, by removing the cover price. I joined in, mentioned the other two differences, and was ignored. No change there.

Sure enough, someone has had a go at it - look at this ebay listing here:

 

Hmmm. The copy conveniently has its price and date box removed 

A closer look:

 

But look - they haven't torn off the bottom so, if it is a pence copy, the indicia will give the game away with a Thorpe & Porter logo.

If you think about it, assuming it's a pence copy:

1. CGC missed it. Don't they read my threads? 
2. The buyer will pay 'cents' prices
3. Mycomicshop are selling it (in good faith)

Not very satisfactory is it?

I wish someone would buy it and crack it open. Of course, it may just be a brutalised cents copy. But can you think of another reason to cut away the date and price? There are unscrupulous people out there.... possibly called Brian 

Is there no honour amongst thieves?

[ADAMANTIUM]

There is a holiday exchange if your interested 

 

11 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said:

On we go

1. CGC missed it. Don't they read my threads? 
2. The buyer will pay 'cents' prices
3. Mycomicshop are selling it (in good faith)

Not very satisfactory is it?

I wish someone would buy it and crack it open. Of course, it may just be a brutalised cents copy. But can you think of another reason to cut away the date and price? There are unscrupulous people out there.... possibly called Brian 

Nice catch, veddy interesting

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by ADAMANTIUM

[Get Marwood & I]

On 10/4/2018 at 5:08 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

On 8/11/2017 at 4:47 PM, Get Marwood & I Live! said:

 

 One! One tatty copy of Gunsmoke Western #58, ah, ha ha ha hah

 

 Two! Two tatty copies of Gunsmoke Western #58, ah, ha ha ha hah

 

 Three! Three tatty copies of Gunsmoke Western #58, ah, ha ha ha hah

 What are you some kind of ****? Ah, ha ha ha hah

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