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Avengers: Endgame (2019)
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On 4/16/2019 at 12:14 PM, AnthonyTheAbyss said:

For the toy geeks...go pick up the Hot Toys version of this Iron Man.  1/6 scale of pure awesomeness.  Pre-orders are available and some sites have it ready for shipping.  Range is from $600 - $800.

Plus it's shipping just in time for the premiere...on Disney Plus.  :eek:  Release date is third quarter 2020.  Does look awesome though, all the Hot Toys Iron Man figures do.

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18 hours ago, @therealsilvermane said:

And in this case, after Endgame, Carol Danvers will be both. You may not think it's a good idea, but that's the direction Disney is going with. On Avengers backpacks and lunch boxes and birthday plates, Captain Marvel will be front and center on all group photos.

Lmfao I don't think so.

Disney isn't in charge here. Marvel Studios is. It's going to be a few years before the next face of the franchise is appointed. You obviously have no idea how this has worked in the past. As a character who spent 25 years away from Earth, it doesn't make logical sense for her to be front-and-center in the next Avengers appearance.

Spider-Man begins Phase 4. Iron Man began Phase 1. Coincidence? I think not. And I don't think it'll be a coincidence when he's the fan-appointed face of the MCU in a couple years. Marvel Studios usually knows how to please its fans. An unpopular comic property, mediocre origin film, and divisive actress isn't going to be the choice.

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58 minutes ago, TwoPiece said:

.Spider-Man begins Phase 4. Iron Man began Phase 1. Coincidence? I think not. And I don't think it'll be a coincidence when he's the fan-appointed face of the MCU in a couple years. Marvel Studios usually knows how to please its fans. An unpopular comic property, mediocre origin film, and divisive actress isn't going to be the choice.

Counterpoint: Comic book popularity =/= movie popularity.

Judging by the domestic response to the last three Spider-Man movies, he's not as popular with today's movie-going public as either Black Panther or Captain Marvel. Make sense - they both bring in expanded audience demographics. Also:

1) In six attempts so far, no Spider-Man film's yet broken $1 billion worldwide. Captain America, Iron Man, Black Panther and Captain Marvel all have. Sure, much of that is due to recency and inflation, but The Amazing Spider-Man and Homecoming both had the easy opportunity to break that barrier and didn't come close.

2) Both Black Panther and Captain Marvel made more money domestically than any Spider-Man film of the last decade, even after adjusting for inflation

3) It's increasingly looking like Captain Marvel will gross more domestically by the end of its run than _any_ of the Spider-Man films.

Disney will put their resources where the money -- and audience demand -- is.

Right now, it's not on Spider-Man -- and arguably *hasn't* been since Raimi's trilogy.

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1 hour ago, TwoPiece said:

Disney isn't in charge here. Marvel Studios is. It's going to be a few years before the next face of the franchise is appointed. You obviously have no idea how this has worked in the past. As a character who spent 25 years away from Earth, it doesn't make logical sense for her to be front-and-center in the next Avengers appearance.

Spider-Man begins Phase 4. Iron Man began Phase 1. Coincidence? I think not. And I don't think it'll be a coincidence when he's the fan-appointed face of the MCU in a couple years. Marvel Studios usually knows how to please its fans. An unpopular comic property, mediocre origin film, and divisive actress isn't going to be the choice.

 

Fans aren't in charge here. Marvel Studios is, and Disney is in charge of Marvel. I also seem to remember Kevin Feige himself saying Carol Danvers will the face of the MCU going forward. Hmm...

So Captain America was away for like 60+ years and his first film wasn't great either,  and he was basically appointed team leader in the first Avengers film. On promotional material for the 2012 film, it goes back and forth between Steve Rogers and Tony Stark being front and center in group images. Spider-Man always has been and probably always will be the trademark logo for Marvel Comics, like Mickey Mouse is for Disney, but Queen Brie will be the new face of a Marvel Studios that wants to expand its fan base with younger people and girls.

Lastly, going back to Carol being away for 25 years as reason for her not taking the lead in the Avengers, that's actually probably going to be the reason for her taking the lead. After Endgame, the MCU reportedly will almost be split into two factions, more street level heroes and more powerful heroes who take the battle to the cosmos. The Avengers will become more of a cosmic force probably in anticipation of another intergalactic threat. Carol Danvers will logistically be more readied to take the lead in facing that threat.

Going forward, Captain Marvel will be the Captain of Marvel.

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17 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

Counterpoint: Comic book popularity =/= movie popularity.

Judging by the domestic response to the last three Spider-Man movies, he's not as popular with today's movie-going public as either Black Panther or Captain Marvel. Make sense - they both bring in expanded audience demographics. Also:

1) In six attempts so far, no Spider-Man film's yet broken $1 billion worldwide. Captain America, Iron Man, Black Panther and Captain Marvel all have. Sure, much of that is due to recency and inflation, but The Amazing Spider-Man and Homecoming both had the easy opportunity to break that barrier and didn't come close.

2) Both Black Panther and Captain Marvel made more money domestically than any Spider-Man film of the last decade, even after adjusting for inflation

3) It's increasingly looking like Captain Marvel will gross more domestically by the end of its run than _any_ of the Spider-Man films.

Disney will put their resources where the money -- and audience demand -- is.

Right now, it's not on Spider-Man -- and arguably *hasn't* been since Raimi's trilogy.

Yes, I feel that the world in general is maybe a little burned out on Spider-Man...

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2 hours ago, @therealsilvermane said:

I also seem to remember Kevin Feige himself saying Carol Danvers will the face of the MCU going forward.

There are a number of ways to read into what Feige actually said.  Here's his exact quote:

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“When we found out that Brie Larson might be interested in joining our world, we had a number of meetings.  She was a huge fan of the character in the comics. One of the highlights of my career at Marvel was introducing her at Comic-Con and having her come out on stage and stand there with literally almost everybody else from our movies. There she was at the forefront and it was a great foreshadowing- not just for how audiences are going to embrace Brie as this character, but also for how Captain Marvel is about to take the lead and beat the forefront of the entire Cinematic Universe.”

You could take that to mean she's going to be the face of Marvel, or you could take that to mean she's about to do more against Thanos than the rest of the MCU was able to.  Not having seen the film the only way to know for sure is to assume his meaning like the author of that article in the screenshot did.

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2 hours ago, Callaway29 said:

Brie ain’t no Gal unfortunately 

Well they're two different characters and not really similar at all. Diana is a goddess/princess, and Gal Gadot's approach was kind of noble, elegant, a softer approach, a warrior-princess, really. And romance is a big part of her character with Steve Trevor. Carol Danvers, on the other had, is a tomboy, military, not caught up in romance, a little more hard edged and confrontational as played by Brie Larson. I think men would find Gal Gadot's approach more attractive, and women would find Brie Larson's approach more attractive. Both equally effective, imo.

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14 minutes ago, fantastic_four said:

There are a number of ways to read into what Feige actually said.  Here's his exact quote:

You could take that to mean she's going to be the face of Marvel, or you could take that to mean she's about to do more against Thanos than the rest of the MCU was able to.  Not having seen the film the only way to know for sure is to assume his meaning like the author of that article in the screenshot did.

No matter how she may have come across in Captain Marvel, Brie Larson to me is a solid actress. Even in Skull Island I liked her performance, for what she was given.

But compared to the big stars already established (including Scarlett Johansson), it will be interesting how they package this up. I can't see Captain Marvel being a low-level player in these films.

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2 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

I can't see Captain Marvel being a low-level player in these films.

I forget how Marvel categorizes powers--they give them Greek letter designations, don't they, like Alpha and Omega?--but the way Binary originally was in the comic and the way Brie was against Ronan's fleet in her movie, she seems about as powerful as Dark Phoenix to me, and that makes her more powerful than all of the MCU character to date aside from Thanos with the Gauntlet.  I'd love to see a comparison as to how she even differs from Phoenix.  Both Phoenix and Binary were created by Chris Claremont in the early 80s, so I'm not sure it's a coincidence they're so similar.

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