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FINALLY! A positive review. 'A really underrated comic book movie!'

Shyt! He was reviewing the 2004 movie. :insane:

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Ouch!

'Do yourself a favor. Watch the original films.'

 

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This fellow hold back at first on his review thoughts. But he slowly comes around to share his thoughts.

Not clear if he liked it or not. hm

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A long-winded review. But you'll get the point.

 

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One of the more level-headed film reviewers that's also a comic book reader and fan.

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On 4/10/2019 at 6:33 PM, Bosco685 said:

Screen Junkies saw this as his first-ever Hellboy movie. 'After a half-hour, it turns into madness and chaos...one of the most incomprehensible experiences in my lifetime. A narrative disaster!' :(

 

"A narrative disaster?" I'm not surprised. My first reaction after viewing the first trailer was:" What the?!? How are they going to adequately deal with all that stuff? It took a decade of comics to cover all those characters and plot elements!" There just seems to be waaaaaay too much mythos and too many characters in this movie to be able to do it all justice. Amazing Spider-man #3 anyone???

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Some of the "positive" reviews:

"It's like watching 30 comic books in one! Awesome!"

What!? That sounds just awful... Sounds like they crammed a trilogy into 1 movie.

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FRIDAY AM UPDATE: Lionsgate and Summit's release of Hellboy took in an estimated $1.38 million last night during Thursday previews at over 2,700 locations. Looking at some of the comps used in our preview, this is far more than the $750k Pain & Gain brought in from previews as well as the $870k for John Wick while being just shy of the $1.4 million in previews for Kingsman. Whether this is just a case of die hard fans getting in early or a sign of things to come obviously remains to be seen, but this is a relatively promising start when you're looking at the comps. That said, you could also look at a film like Jigsaw, which brought in $1.6 million from previews and managed a $16.6 million debut.

 

WEEKEND PREVIEW: 

Hellboy arrives in a tough marketplace as it debuts against Shazam!'s second weekend, not to mention competing with hype for Avengers: Endgame, which arrives in theaters in just a couple weeks. Industry expectations are for a debut anywhere from $17-20 million for the feature, but we're struggling to go as high as $20 million, opting for a range anywhere from $14-17 million.

The R-rated adaptation of the film will debut in over 3,300 locations, and we've been looking at IMDb page view performance over the two weeks leading up to release against the likes of Pain & Gain ($20.2m opening), John Wick ($14.4m opening) and Kingsman: The Secret Service ($36.2m opening) and Hellboy is pacing behind all three. Critical opinion isn't helping the film either, as it currently holds a score of 33 on Metacritic and a dismal 11% on RottenTomatoes. For the sake of comparison, both of Guillermo del Toro's previous Hellboy releases scored RottenTomatoes scores over 80%.

Overall, we're going out with a forecast anticipating a debut around $16.5 million and won't be surprised to see a fluctuation of $1 million up or down, depending mostly on word of mouth, and should things slow even further it could drop behind our next film.

 

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Imagine a film where almost every single creative choice constitutes some kind of a misstep, and you have a sense of what this is like. Right off the bat we have a problem with David Harbour occupying the title role. And truly, it kills me to say that as someone who considers the Stranger Things star one of the most consistently dependable presences on either big or small screen for nearly two decades now. To be clear, it’s not David Harbour’s fault that he’s not Ron Perlman. But while Perlman took the role as if he was born for it, there’s something lurchy and slightly awkward about Harbour under the makeup, feeling less like Hellboy himself than a really dedicated cosplayer.

 

He tries to do what he can, but he’s boxed in by Andrew Cosby’s scattershot -script, which bounces haphazardly from one set piece to next and does no one in this cast any favors (McShane probably comes out least scathed on the other side). As shepherded by noted TV helmer Neil Marshall (Westworld, Game of Thrones), the new Hellboy has none of the visual poetry that distinguished Del Toro’s entries, and is instead overstuffed with an unending onslaught of gore and naughty words as if to try and invent a raison d'être for itself in the new post-Deadpool, post-Logan promised land for R-rated superheroes. I’m not saying don’t have those things, I’m saying have them for a reason other than simply showing what a big boy you are now.

Where we’re left by the end is a reboot that retells story beats that left a pretty strong mark already, while failing to add anything new to mix to really justifies its existence. There’s a nastiness pervading the entire aesthetic of Hellboy ‘19, punctuated by what is truly some of the most poorly realized CGI I’ve ever seen, and its demise hastened by what feels like a last second edit bay brawl to lend some sense to the thing. While there’s a sop to greater fealty to the comic book source material, it seems like a pretty big disservice to the fantastical realm that writer/artist Mike Mignola created, and in which this character has thrived for more than a quarter-century.

 

Overall: D

I'm going to cry now, as I so wanted the beginning of a strong Hellboy franchise leading to a B.P.R.D. TV show following their on-going missions.

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On 4/10/2019 at 8:25 PM, Bosco685 said:

Uh-ooh. This sounds like some rough interaction on the set with creative leads.

 

More details are coming out about the behind-the-scenes production crew disputes over this movie.

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Hellboy the comic-book character was born of an unholy union of woman and demon. But the latest “Hellboy” movie was born of clashes between director Neil Marshall and two of the film’s 16 producers.

 

After Marshall handed in his cut of the film, the producers took over. Singer said Marshall had never been promised final cut on the film. Harbour, McShane and a spokesman for Lionsgate declined to comment. So did McCurdy, who was replaced by Lorenzo Senatore.

 

In its opening weekend, “Hellboy” is projected to earn $17 to 20 million on 3,200 screens, less than the openings weekends for the previous “Hellboy” films and the $57 million opening for last weekend’s “Shazam.” The new “Hellboy” is the only one with an R rating, which may limit its potential audience.

:mad::facepalm:

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Deadline projecting $13-14MM, officially DOA.

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A reviewer I trust in, as he does try to be level-headed. He notes although it has obvious editing issues, it IS NOT as bad as is being noted.

But he wishes they had gone with Del Toro's plan, as it is the flow of the movie and story that distracts at times. But he liked David Harbour.

OVERALL: C-

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It's sounding like David Harbour was the strong point in the film, which doesn't surprise me at all.

But the story and especially the editing is what detracts from the final production.

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Two level-headed reviewers that did a pre and post-screening video who are also Hellboy and B.P.R.D comic book readers that felt it was loyal to the source material.

But they felt it is not the material that works for general audiences. And they did share there are 2 credit scenes to hang in there to watch.

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Anyone watch this?  Debating if I should go watch in Imax tommorrow.

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Shyt!! :mad:

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It's looking like taking the path of a darker tone and R-Rating was too much redirection to attract the hardcore fans while risking the general audience.

DEADLINE: ‘Hellboy’ Cold With $12M+

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No one is rushing out to see Hellboy because Guillermo del Toro did not direct this reboot, plus the film looks like a watered-down version of its predecessors. There’s no plus-ing going on here in regards to making a movie that builds on del Toro’s.

 

Says social media monitor RelishMix about Hellboy‘s nasty word of mouth, “Hardcore Hellboy fans to casual ticket buyers are asking, ‘Do we need another iteration of this guy?’  Even if they agree, some are asking why Ron Perlman, who starred in del Toro’s two films, was replaced. This side of the convo fence doesn’t get the jokes and seem generally frustrated with the knee-jerk reboots that seem common in today’s Hollywood.”

 

That said, there was an earnest attempt here to tap Game of Thrones director Neil Marshall, who was behind the “Blackwater” and “The Watchers on the Wall” episodes. But:

  • Critics have deep-sixed the movie at 15% Rotten (we hear the film wasn’t widely available to critics to be screened, so that tells you something right there)
  • Worse, CinemaScore audiences have slapped Hellboy with a ‘C’ grade, lower than del Toro’s first 2004 movie (B-) and Hellboy II: The Golden Army (B).
  • PostTrak audience like it less than CinemaScore folks at 2 1/2 stars and a 44% recommend.
  • Men over 25 repped 38% of the crowd, females over 25 were close to a third.
  • Caucasians numbered 47% followed by Hispanic audiences at 23%, Asian at 14% and African American at 11%.

Millennium spent $50M to make the movie. “Millennium will be fine, they will always be fine,” said an international distribution exec yesterday, “When are they not?”. Lionsgate, though, is bound to get the short end of the stick here after acquiring UK and US on the pic and being on the hook for P&A. For a studio that needs more franchises, Hellboy isn’t the one.

 

RelishMix also noticed that social media metrics were down for Hellboy, with a moderate social media universe near 155M, The viral video rate is at 21:1 short of the 37:1 average the superhero genre.

 

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23 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

It's looking like taking the path of a darker tone and R-Rating was too much redirection to attract the hardcore fans while risking the general audience.

DEADLINE: ‘Hellboy’ Cold With $12M+

 

Day-um.

1) It takes skill to get a C Cinemascore

2) It's now projected to have an opening weekend just over 1/2 that of the original Hellboy film's from 2004?

Wonder what this will do to Liongate's stock price tomorrow.

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Millennium's R-rated reboot (which is distributed in North America and the UK by Lionsgate) began life as a true sequel to The Golden Army, but they (correctly) wanted a smaller budget than the $66 million original or the $75 million-budgeted sequel, and the Shape of Water filmmaker walked and took Ron Perlman with him.

 

So, rather than take the Batman Forever route of getting a new cast and crew (David Harbour is fine in the title role) but continuing the continuity (which had its own obstacles), we've got a $50 million-budgeted, R-rated Hellboy reboot that pleased absolutely nobody this weekend, earning miserable reviews and $12 million over the weekend. That's below even the $13.6 million debut weekends of Underworld: Blood Wars and Resident Evil: The Final Chapter in early 2017.

 

It will be lucky to earn even $30 million domestic, and frankly $26 million is a closer guestimate.

 

Yes, I loved The Golden Army too, but this failed property reboot is a good reason not to listen to the Internet about what properties deserve a third chance. In a world less obsessed with IP and franchises, this Hellboy reboot would never have been a thing.

:mad:

Now I want to see it, just to understand what is turning people off so much.

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'The Fifth Element' I never would have thought to have been panned by the critics. Wow!

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The Fifth Element polarised critics on release. Kevin Thomas of the Los Angeles Times described the film as an "elaborate, even campy sci-fi extravaganza, which is nearly as hard to follow as last year's Mission: Impossible." He concluded that The Fifth Element was "a lot warmer, more fun and boasts some of the most sophisticated, witty production and costume design you could ever hope to see." On film review show At the Movies, both Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel gave the film a "thumbs up"; in his own review for the Chicago Sun-Times, Ebert gave the film 3 stars out of 4, calling it "One of the great goofy movies", and concluding, "I would not have missed seeing this film, and I recommend it for its richness of imagery. But at 127 minutes, which seems a reasonable length, it plays long."

 

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