Rambotim Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Are Finger Bends out of Control? Is it just me or are we seeing a lot of Finger Bends lately? In the past 6 months, more than 60% of my Submissions are coming back with this on the Grader Notes. I've gotten this on Comics that have never read before and only handled to put in bag with backboard. I'm not sure if this is just me being over sensitive or if it's a real issue? I have been collecting for over 30 years and have some idea what to look for when sending in my comics, but I'm just not seeing these Finger Bends when I send them to CGC. Please don't take this as me blaming the graders either, I know many people handle the comics besides them. I am a first time poster on the Chat Boards, So if anyone has any advice for me that would be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think you need to give us more information. Are these Moderns, Bronze, etc ????? Do you pre screen ? Are you submitting the books directly to CGC = from you to CGC ? No pressing service, LCS submissions, etc. BTW, if these are Moderns and you store them in a Modern bag and board, that may be your problem. They are too snug and difficult to remove = can cause finger bends. Don't use Modern size Bag and Boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambotim Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 I send in Bronze to Modern mostly, I send Directly to CGC. I have never used the pressing service and up until about 6 months ago, I have not had to. I've been sending books in for about 2-3 years now and up until recently I have never had an issue. I do the bigger bags and boards for most of my collection due to that exact reason. I thought I was always pretty thorough in screening them before I sent them in, but now I don't know. Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, Rambotim said: I send in Bronze to Modern mostly, I send Directly to CGC. I have never used the pressing service and up until about 6 months ago, I have not had to. I've been sending books in for about 2-3 years now and up until recently I have never had an issue. I do the bigger bags and boards for most of my collection due to that exact reason. I thought I was always pretty thorough in screening them before I sent them in, but now I don't know. Hope this helps BTW, Welcome to the Boards ! Thanks for the thorough response. Puzzling, nothing in your procedures would indicate a problem. The pre screen I referenced is a service offered by CGC where you can specify the minimum grade desired to be slabbed. I think you need at least 25 comics though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambotim Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 I may try that. At least I'll know if the problem lies within the line somewhere. Thanks for the response! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post buttock Posted May 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2017 It's in CGC's best interest to make this a notable defect so they can convince people to use their pressing service to fix it. Tony S, PeterPark, Quicksilver Signs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmagg73 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Dropped off my comics when I was at c2e2... was horrified to see the cgc worker pick up my stack of 2 WAlking Dead #1s ( (that were bagged and boarded) with his thumb near the middle of the spine. He was picking up most of them that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony S Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 It is my observation that we are seeing a very large increase in notations of "finger bends" and "light/very light bends" in the grading notes. Obviously graders have been told to watch for/note this defect. While it's speculation on my part, it seems to me that we have seen the increase in "bends" take place AFTER the problems with the Generation 2/no inner well slab situation. The slab that was causing bends in books that were holdered within. Perhaps CGC is wanting to make it absolutely clear that even the tiniest of bends was there before a book was encapsulated. I've unslabbed a few books with "very light bend" and have not been able to see anything. Maybe some very light bends flatten out in the slab. Maybe the graders are being overly critical. Go to any comic book store and look at the new issues just in from Diamond. They don't lay perfectly flat. Not even close actually Bomber-Bob and Timmay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteppinRazor Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 5/20/2017 at 6:53 PM, buttock said: It's in CGC's best interest to make this a notable defect so they can convince people to use their pressing service to fix it. 4 hours ago, Tony S said: It is my observation that we are seeing a very large increase in notations of "finger bends" and "light/very light bends" in the grading notes. Obviously graders have been told to watch for/note this defect. While it's speculation on my part, it seems to me that we have seen the increase in "bends" take place AFTER the problems with the Generation 2/no inner well slab situation. The slab that was causing bends in books that were holdered within. Perhaps CGC is wanting to make it absolutely clear that even the tiniest of bends was there before a book was encapsulated. I've unslabbed a few books with "very light bend" and have not been able to see anything. Maybe some very light bends flatten out in the slab. Maybe the graders are being overly critical. Go to any comic book store and look at the new issues just in from Diamond. They don't lay perfectly flat. Not even close actually Both of these things would be very bad. Defeats the very purpose of independent grading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmagg73 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 4:30 AM, jmagg73 said: Dropped off my comics when I was at c2e2... was horrified to see the cgc worker pick up my stack of 2 WAlking Dead #1s ( (that were bagged and boarded) with his thumb near the middle of the spine. He was picking up most of them that way. Just got graders notes on them today.. both 9.4s with small stress bends in spine.... werent there before. Now i have to get them pressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteppinRazor Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Does anyone take pictures of comics before submission? I did, but moreso to post questions here. Is there a standard, or is it basically one trusts that cgc won't inadvertently cause an issue through imperfect handling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 5:30 AM, jmagg73 said: Dropped off my comics when I was at c2e2... was horrified to see the cgc worker pick up my stack of 2 WAlking Dead #1s ( (that were bagged and boarded) with his thumb near the middle of the spine. He was picking up most of them that way. Yeah, that's always been the drawback of submitting at cons. It can be convenient, but you are at the mercy of how the CGC employees will handle your books and how well they'll pack them for shipment back to Sarasota. My impression is that some of the people working the CGC booth at cons will not -- particularly during busy periods -- exercise the same care that (I hope!) the people show who unpack books in Sarasota and prepare them for grading. The Lions Den and jmagg73 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comicdey Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) Cgc put a doozy of a color breaking finger bend in my Warlock 2 years ago. 9.8 turned into a 9.2 slab. Be gentle folks. Finger bends hurt Edited June 1, 2017 by Comicdey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 It's threads like these that give me pause about sending anything to CGC Rambotim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal_Collector Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 2:30 AM, jmagg73 said: Dropped off my comics when I was at c2e2... was horrified to see the cgc worker pick up my stack of 2 WAlking Dead #1s ( (that were bagged and boarded) with his thumb near the middle of the spine. He was picking up most of them that way. Yep, I saw a rep do the same thing when I was ECCC. He didn't give a damn about condition of the books. I also didn't like that he made me remove the top loaders they were in either. C'moooonnnnnn CGC let me hedge my bets toward a better grade as much as I can. I'm sure its so they can fit more books in each box, resulting in less overhead return shipping to CGC. Jerome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dm3 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Can someone let me know how much a finger/thumb bend as shown in the photo would deduct from the final grade of the book if it is otherwise a 9.8 (ie, no other defects) this one has a front and rear cover finger bend (similar severity on both sides) i assume it will knock it down to 9.2-9.4, around NM-.or will it go down to 9.0 or 8.5 range? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) On 5/26/2017 at 5:02 PM, Sqeggs said: Yeah, that's always been the drawback of submitting at cons. It can be convenient, but you are at the mercy of how the CGC employees will handle your books and how well they'll pack them for shipment back to Sarasota. My impression is that some of the people working the CGC booth at cons will not -- particularly during busy periods -- exercise the same care that (I hope!) the people show who unpack books in Sarasota and prepare them for grading. While at a con, I once saw a dealer (not affiliated with CGC in any way) actually step on top of his open comic boxes in order to reach a book he had for sale. Oh the horror...the horror... Edited December 1, 2020 by The Lions Den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
