AnkurJ Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 5 hours ago, aokartman said: This is the way I feel, too. If sellers would simply be truthful, without deceit, I don't care if they make a quick buck if it is something they found that I want. David Agreed! This is what dealers do everyday (most honestly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobrac Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 This WITCHING HOUR #60 cover sold in a lot of two (2) covers in the November HA Signature for $3,960. One of the covers is now being sold in a no reserve auction on eBay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nick-Cardy-and-Luis-Dominguez-Witching-Hour-60-Cover-1975-original-art/143048388711?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 Here is the original listing on Heritage with the full and detailed description of both covers and which artist drew which cover, which you should keep in mind in case you are bidding on the eBay auction. https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/nick-cardy-and-luis-dominguez-witching-hour-60-cover-original-art-group-of-2-dc-1970-1975-total-2-original-art-/a/7192-93051.s?ic4=OtherResults-SampleItem-071515&tab=ArchiveSearchResults-012417 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aokartman Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, lobrac said: This WITCHING HOUR #60 cover sold in a lot of two (2) covers in the November HA Signature for $3,960. One of the covers is now being sold in a no reserve auction on eBay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nick-Cardy-and-Luis-Dominguez-Witching-Hour-60-Cover-1975-original-art/143048388711?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 Here is the original listing on Heritage with the full and detailed description of both covers and which artist drew which cover, which you should keep in mind in case you are bidding on the eBay auction. https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/nick-cardy-and-luis-dominguez-witching-hour-60-cover-original-art-group-of-2-dc-1970-1975-total-2-original-art-/a/7192-93051.s?ic4=OtherResults-SampleItem-071515&tab=ArchiveSearchResults-012417 Very interesting, thanks for pointing out the ebay listing. I had followed the HA auction. Kind of a shame to break up the matching pair, both are nice pieces. Seller has many other nice pieces on ebay. And a website ... berserkerart.com I'll be watching the ebay listing (just for fun). David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_K Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I like Nick's version better. Just sayin' Phill the Governor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwhy Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 :-). ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/323590803306?ul_noapp=true Comicartfans: https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1519440 Kohei 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 32 minutes ago, oldwhy said: :-). ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/323590803306?ul_noapp=true Comicartfans: https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1519440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Upgrade Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 11:25 AM, aokartman said: Very interesting, thanks for pointing out the ebay listing. I had followed the HA auction. Kind of a shame to break up the matching pair, both are nice pieces. Seller has many other nice pieces on ebay. And a website ... berserkerart.com I'll be watching the ebay listing (just for fun). David Anthony Snyder had the two covers for sale during the summer and consigned them to HA on his return trip from SDCC 2018... ...I do not remember his asking price for the set. But, I am certain that he did 'o.k.' on the flip. The winning HA bidder would have likely paid much less had they haggled with Snyder out in the wild... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamouspure22 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) On 12/29/2018 at 2:44 PM, oldwhy said: :-). ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/323590803306?ul_noapp=true Comicartfans: https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1519440 Yes this is me. Shameful to win an auction that anyone else could have outbid me in. Even worse that I don’t keep it forever. And unforgivable that I decide to open it for sale at what I feel is closer to its actual value so that I could use the funds to upgrade my collection. (i’m not as rich apparently as all of you who have unlimited funds and never sell to do the same) if any of you who judge others on this thread sell what you buy at the same exact price you bought it for, you are a better person than me. kudos to you. as my reply here will most surely result in a toxic flurry of additional judgements, i’ll just plead guilty to whatever it is you accuse me of doing and leave you your victory. and to the guy who felt the need to call me out and who i also considered to be a collecting friend, thank you I don’t need to justify my decisions or actions with anyone. Edited January 1, 2019 by Infamouspure22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Infamouspure22 said: I don’t need to justify my decisions or actions with anyone. I do not view myself as better than anyone else as it seems many of you do. So this statement is both judging others and saying that your better than they are so I’m not really sure what you’re going for here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamouspure22 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bird said: So this statement is both judging others and saying that your better than they are so I’m not really sure what you’re going for here You are correct. I removed my last statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamouspure22 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Funny that no one had anything to say about this one I have for sale: https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1519458 Bought from Anthony Snyder for $1250. It’s been available for lower than that for a few weeks. Is selling for less than what you bought something for what you all feel is acceptable? I recognize many on this thread who sell and sell regularly. Do you sell for losses too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsLegion Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 hmm, if you flip for a loss, does it become the flop of the day? Sideshow Bob and First Upgrade 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 6 hours ago, Infamouspure22 said: Yes this is me. Shameful to win an auction that anyone else could have outbid me in. Even worse that I don’t keep it forever. And unforgivable that I decide to open it for sale at what I feel is closer to its actual value so that I could use the funds to upgrade my collection. (i’m not as rich apparently as all of you who have unlimited funds and never sell to do the same) if any of you who judge others on this thread sell what you buy at the same exact price you bought it for, you are a better person than me. kudos to you. as my reply here will most surely result in a toxic flurry of additional judgements, i’ll just plead guilty to whatever it is you accuse me of doing and leave you your victory. and to the guy who felt the need to call me out and who i also considered to be a collecting friend, thank you I don’t need to justify my decisions or actions with anyone. I don’t begrudge someone for trying to make a profit. The ones which I find outrageous is where someone buys a piece, particularly a so-so piece, and posts it at a resale price that is insanely high for the market. Like much of Coollines stuff, except you have to ask for the pricing. I am not that enamored with the Byrne art in that example, and I do like his style (particularly his older one), but I notice you are not listing a price, either. If I were in your shoes, I would list it at a price and see if you can make a few bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 10 hours ago, MYNAMEISLEGION said: hmm, if you flip for a loss, does it become the flop of the day? On another board I frequent they call them failips. I love watching the balance of trade...rebalance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamhlawson Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Ok...just because it's New Years and this.... THE issue, quite simply is so conveniently overlooked. Simply discussing (so chill) the above profit making plans, abilities, failures, successes or timeline's in resale. In regards to the Witching covers....If you sell 1/2 the covers for 10 times the auction close, no harm (to anyone except the original seller). EVERY single art dealer sell's for profit by design, certain collector's like to point out those out to make a quick (and often unreasonable) turnaround sale for some reason. If this helps to avoid impropriety in bidding then I can understand the reasoning. If those pointing out buy/sell's are dealers, I question not only their motive, but also their method. If you sell 1/2 the covers, with 1/2 the story...then that's THE problem. Always. TRUTH and FULL DISCLOSURE (with back scans) be told about WHAT you are selling. Terms such as 'un-used' cover, 'b' cover, alternate version, not to mention pencils/blueline only 'but I swear this was published from only the pencils'... are the bane of our hobby these days. If you appear to purposely avoid telling the WHOLE story, or not telling it, or skirting it...this community, more than any other I've seen, will quickly 'call it as they see it'. Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eewwnuk Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 The 50k guy gardner page: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113553521191 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) On 1/1/2019 at 3:04 AM, MYNAMEISLEGION said: hmm, if you flip for a loss, does it become the flop of the day? The Floss of the Day? Edited January 14, 2019 by PhilipB2k17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 22 hours ago, eewwnuk said: The 50k guy gardner page: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113553521191 That's been sitting there for over a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sideshow Bob Posted January 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2019 So its not a flip as its two years between buy and sell, but an illustrative lesson in the costs of trying to buy back something you sold and the true cost of transaction fees (especially Heritage). In Feb 2017, I sold this Long Halloween page on ComicLink. It really is a nice page, but I was going through a "does it spark joy?" phase and it didn't make the cut. I consigned it and the winning bid was $381, a reasonable price for a good Gordon page from a great series by a master artist. Its going to hit the auction block at Heritage in the Feb 21 auction. I thought maybe I'd bid on it, but asked the question, what would it cost me to get it back two years later with the same economics, ignoring inflation and opportunity cost? Crazy, it came it out to $237 as my max bid on sale proceeds of $343. Here is the insane math: Winning CL 2017 bidder: $381 + shipping $25 = $406 My take after CL 10% fee of -$38: $343 Back out 8.875% NYC sales tax if I bid again: -$28 Back out Heritage 20% buyers premium on pre-tax total: -$52 Back out Heritage standard shipping/handling: -$25 My max bid to be break-even from Feb 2017: $237 vs the $343 I got as a check in Feb 2017. That is a -30% move from my sale proceeds or a -38% move from the last winning bid. Wow. Even more frightening, in that scenario, the new consignor gets hit with a Heritage sellers fee of 15%, so the take-home is $202, or a 50% loss from what they paid (with shipping). Ouch. In reality, I won't win at $237 and the consignor won't get destroyed, since someone will bid higher than $350 for this lovely page and become the new owner... it just won't be me. [For illustrative purposes, if the consignor is the original buyer from Feb 2017, to break even at a purchase price of $406, after HA fees they'll need a hammer of $467. As the new winning bidder, if I bid $467, after 8.875% sales tax and 20% fees and $25 shipping, it will cost me $626. That is 1.65x the last hammer price of $381! The question becomes... did the Long Halloween interior page market move up +65% in the last two years? For the economics of selling this through HA two years later to work, I sure hope it has!.] Rick2you2, mister_not_so_nice, John E. and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsLegion Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 @Sideshow Bob thanks for your post- this is a very illuminating and illustrative point on the math of flipping the same piece in a short amount of time (though that was not your intent here) but it accurately describes how the price and value of a piece is very obscured by the fees to buyer and seller an associated tax and shipping. I've had several debates about his in the last year online about this subject - how "market value" and auctions results are not the same, for all the reasons described in your post. Some have strenuously disagreed with me, which is there prerogative, and mostly because the are predicated on economic theory, and not market realities. Methinks they also had an ulterior motive to argue, because they wish to keep valuations artificially high for their own gain. Lee B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...