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[Bosco685]

The Joker Origin Story On Deck: Todd Phillips, Scott Silver, Martin Scorsese Aboard WB/DC Film

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Warner Bros and DC are in the early stages of another Batman Universe spinoff movie, this one telling the origin story of the signature villain The Joker. The studio has set The Hangover‘s Todd Phillips to co-write a --script with 8 Mile scribe Scott Silver. Phillips will direct the movie, and Martin Scorsese will produce it with Phillips. This will be the first film under a new banner that has yet to be named in which WB can expand the canon of DC properties and create unique storylines with different actors playing the iconic characters.

 

 

I’m told that the intention is to make an origin story that isn’t part of any other iteration. The Joker has memorably been part of two Batman movies in the form of Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger, and was most recently played by Jared Leto in the first Suicide Squad film. He will reprise in the Suicide Squad sequel and the Harley Quinn spinoff, but this new film will launch the character with a different actor, possibly younger.

 

An intriguing part is the setting. The intention is to make a gritty and grounded hard-boiled crime film set in early-’80s Gotham City that isn’t meant to feel like a DC movie as much as one of Scorsese’s films from that era, like Taxi Driver, Raging Bull or The King Of Comedy. I’m told that Phillips and Silver are writing already, but there is nothing firm on where this will fit into the DC schedule.

WOW!

Edited September 2, 2017 by Bosco685

[Bosco685]

[Martin Sinescu]

Hmm, I'm remembering now that I didn't like Taxi Driver or Raging Bull. Le Sigh. 

[skypinkblu]

Scary...

[MDR123]

Just now, skypinkblu said:

Scary...

Scary that it seems WB/DC are just announcing things willy nilly with no purpose or foresight or plan. That's what bugs me the most. I can't get excited about anything related to this movie because they can't even keep the DCEU to progress towards something good (only litmus test we have right now is the potential of Wonder Woman to course correct). The aesthetics of JL do look very Snyder and dark. Can there be hope on the horizon? Is this just a ploy to milk their cash cow character? A Bat-verse of films? Just all seems more reactive than anything else. 

[Gatsby77]

Yeah. Smacks of desperation.

[Larryw7]

With  Scorsese's involvement, I think it will be worthwhile. He doesn't make trash.

[Bosco685]

10 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:

Yeah. Smacks of desperation.

How? Because WB/DC may be recognizing they have Elseworld or darker stories that would not fit into the bright, humor-based, traditional superhero DCEU portfolio?

It could even be a new approach that Marvel needs to recognize after seeing the successes of Deadpool and Logan. Feige has noted recently they won't be doing R-rated movies just yet. But he could clearly see there is an audience for even these movies.

Sounds more market-based centric than desperate.

Edited August 23, 2017 by Bosco685

[Gatsby77]

4 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

How? Because WB/DC may be recognizing they have Elseworld or darker stories that would not fit into the bright, humor-based, traditional superhero DCEU portfolio?

It could even be a new approach that Marvel needs to recognize after seeing the successes of Deadpool and Logan. Feige has noted recently they won't be doing R-rated movies just yet. But he could clearly see there is an audience for even these movies.

Sounds more market-based centric than desperate.

What?

What is this "bright, humor-based, traditional superhero DCEU" of which you speak?

Did you somehow miss Man of Steel, Batman v. Superman, and Suicide Squad?

[Bosco685]

4 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

What?

What is this "bright, humor-based, traditional superhero DCEU" of which you speak?

Did you somehow miss Man of Steel, Batman v. Superman, and Suicide Squad?

Did you miss Wonder Woman and the latest trailers from Justice League?

[kimik]

Nice. If they can do a Vertigo/Elseworlds spin-off banner then they may be able to give us the movie trilogy that we all want - Kingdom Come!

Edited August 23, 2017 by kimik

[Bosco685]

6 minutes ago, kimik said:

Nice. If they can do a Vertigo/Elseworlds spin-off banner then they may be able to give us the movie trilogy that we all want - Kingdom Come!

There was talk of a Vertigo/Elseworld line at one point, which Sandman was going to help launch. But then Sandman went into production limbo after Joseph Gordon-Levitt dropped out.

Maybe this is the next attempt.

[kimik]

A Joker origin story would be fine, but I would love to see them put together a Kingdom Come trilogy with the first film delving more into the fall of the old guard, the second one showing some of the issues with the younger/newer heroes, and then the third one finishing the story off. That is easy to do today and could be an amazing trilogy if done well.

Not to be demanding, but I think it would be cool to see WB/DC launch an Injustice Gods Among Us  TV series under this banner as well. That would be a fun ride. 10-12 episodes per season.

[Straw-Man]

i enjoyed kingdom come; one of the few modern things i've been talked into reading.  i'd get in line fot that flick.

[Bosco685]

Especially the whole Shazam vs. Superman scene.

[Bosco685]

Why The JOKER Origin Movie Can Work For DC

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Fans didn’t know what to expect from The Joker’s movie future after Suicide Squad, but the reports of a Joker origin movie from Martin Scorsese was a true bombshell. It’s a shocking rumor not only because of Jared Leto’s role in Suicide Squad 2 and Gotham City Sirens, but because this proposed Joker solo movie won’t be played by Leto at all.

 

To some, those details make absolutely no sense – to those already writing off DC Films’ decisions, it’s proof they’re as doomed as ever. For the comic book fans, it’s an easier concept to grasp, especially with a character as popular, as storied, and as inherently enigmatic and fractured as the Joker.

 

The Joker Has Had (Multiple) Origin Stories In The Comics

A question unanswered can be compelling, but it’s also unnecessarily restrictive. As one of, if not the most iconic fictional villains of the modern world, The Joker is bigger than one incarnation (or one writer, or one movie, or one actor…). And writer after writer has convinced DC to allow them the chance to answer the question: how can a normal person grow into a legendary evil?

 

Give Movies The Same Chances as Comic Books

Readers will all respond positively or negatively to each origin or re-imagining, but the idea that there is ‘one Joker’ isn’t one that DC history supports. And if comic creators can spin a story of Joker’s fall and rise, all with the understanding that it’s coming from the most unreliable narrator in comics, why can’t a movie?

 

Stop The Restrictive “Shared Universe” Assumptions For Good

The explanation is straightforward enough: this new Joker would not conflict with Jared Leto’s version in a Harley Quinn vs The Joker movie, since it would be set years before, and played by a different (younger) actor. Not only that, but it won’t be framed as a ‘prequel’ to the DCEU Joker, instead allowing it to tell its own story without having its end chapter already written and expanded itself.

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Call it an Elseworlds, call it an origin story, call it a spiritual prequel – whatever keeps the skeptics from drowning the project in negativity before it enters production. But at the heart of the doubts appears to be the rationale that only one version of a DC character should get to exist on film at one time.

 

[ComicConnoisseur]

Will be one of the biggest box office hits for DC Comics.

A no-brainer. Should have been made years ago.

[Drummy]

It definitely will be if they get the elements right.  Biggest issue for all DC movies right now seems to be finding the right writers/-script.  Assuming the acting and direction will be good, all they need is a compelling character story with a strong -script.  Fingers crossed!

Dan

[Martin Sinescu]

On August 22, 2017 at 10:04 PM, MDR123 said:

Scary that it seems WB/DC are just announcing things willy nilly with no purpose or foresight or plan. 

 

23 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:

Yeah. Smacks of desperation.

 

13 hours ago, Bosco685 said:

How? Because WB/DC may be recognizing they have Elseworld or darker stories that would not fit into the bright, humor-based, traditional superhero DCEU portfolio?

Like MDR said, it's willy-nilly, forced in too many aimless directions at once, like cats are planning this. There's just no cohesive voice or vision and part of that may be because they don't know who the heck their audience is. To me, none of this seems like "fun" the way it does for Marvel. It seems more.... train wreck. I'm a DC guy and I'm almost embarrassed for them every time they announce something -- that shouldn't happen. 

[MDR123]

And now the Harley & Joker movie? Justice League Dark being rewritten supposedly? Ben Affleck NOT in Reeves The Batman. Just end this.

 

Like Cavil said, "Bury it."