JOKER: THE MOVIE produced by Martin Scorsese (TBD) 1 1

[Hollywood1892]

Well definitely the Joker

[Bosco685]

1 hour ago, csaag said:

wasn't all that thrilled with the preview shown for  Birds of Prey - not that it's any indication of whatever the film turns out to be.  i did like Margot's Harley portrayal in the Suicide Squad movie.  This has nothing to do with comics, but they also showed a preview for a movie based on Harriet Tubman's life which looked quite good.

If the reaction on social media (Twitter and Facebook especially) are any indication of how Birds of Prey will play out at the box office, we may be surprised. It trending rapidly once that teaser dropped, and held there for some time.

I'm not there yet on this film. So it's not for me right now.

[ComicConnoisseur]

19 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

If the reaction on social media (Twitter and Facebook especially) are any indication of how Birds of Prey will play out at the box office, we may be surprised. It trending rapidly once that teaser dropped, and held there for some time.

I'm not there yet on this film. So it's not for me right now.

I hear ya, but I am guessing 500 million plus at the world wide box office. Margot Robbie is like the number one female star now in those all important 18-34 demographics.

Either way DC will have another massive hit on their hands for little money.

 

[Bosco685]

2 minutes ago, ComicConnoisseur said:

I hear ya, but I am guessing 500 million plus at the world wide box office. Margot Robbie is like the number one female star now in those all important 18-34 demographics.

Either way DC will have another massive hit on their hands for little money.

 

And with a $70 million production budget, this will be another one that doesn't take look to be profitable.

[paperheart]

achieved/upcoming (possible) Joker BO milestones:

>$252MM, other Best Picture contender: Dark Phoenix

>$366MM, critical smash, BO dud: Shazam

>$700MM, WB's biggest clown: IT

>$785MM, R rated king: Deapool 2

>$856MM, critical dud, BO smash: Venom

>$974MM, 2019's biggest solo CB movie: Captain Marvel (ex China)

[ComicConnoisseur]

1 minute ago, Bosco685 said:

And with a $70 million production budget, this will be another one that doesn't take look to be profitable.

Yep. I think it won't quite be the hit like the Joker but it will make bank. DC really has turned it around.

Next I hope I finally get my Lobo and Deathstroke movies.

 

[Bosco685]

International weekend estimates ($351.2M) were lower than actuals ($354.7M).

Edited October 14, 2019 by Bosco685

[Hollywood1892]

1 hour ago, ComicConnoisseur said:

Yep. I think it won't quite be the hit like the Joker but it will make bank. DC really has turned it around.

Next I hope I finally get my Lobo and Deathstroke movies.

 

Yeah Deathstroke 

Especially if Will Smith takes on the role

[Gatsby77]

11 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

Yeah Deathstroke 

Especially if Will Smith takes on the role

Is Smith rumored for Deathstroke?

[Hollywood1892]

7 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

Is Smith rumored for Deathstroke?

I read that wrong....lol

Thought it said Deadshot

[Bosco685]

51 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

I read that wrong....lol

Thought it said Deadshot

Nope. Now that you stated this, it will be published by The Hollywood Reporter, Deadline and TheWrap as fact.

[Bosco685]

2 hours ago, paperheart said:

achieved/upcoming (possible) Joker BO milestones:

>$252MM, other Best Picture contender: Dark Phoenix

>$366MM, critical smash, BO dud: Shazam

>$700MM, WB's biggest clown: IT

>$785MM, R rated king: Deapool 2

>$856MM, critical dud, BO smash: Venom

>$974MM, 2019's biggest solo CB movie: Captain Marvel (ex China)

Well, add 10.0X production budget to the list.

[Bosco685]

Some of the reasons why China will most probably not happen.

Joker draws comparisons to Hong Kong protests in China

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People eager to see the film worry the violent, R-rated film might never pass China’s censors, and some blame similarities with the chaos in Hong Kong

 

Joker had a strong opening weekend around the world, but not in China. Many moviegoers in the world’s second-largest film market fear they may never get to see the controversial comic book movie in theaters.

 

The latest DC film tells the origin story of Batman’s arch nemesis, the Joker. In this version, he’s an aspiring stand-up comedian troubled with mental illness who morphs into a murderous clown as he grapples with the cruel and apathetic society he was raised in. Society’s role in creating the Joker is seen as a critique of the failures of capitalism. The irony of a potential blackout in Chinese cinemas wasn’t lost on the public.

 

“A film that criticizes the ideologies of capitalism can be screened in almost all capitalist countries, but it can’t be approved in a socialist country like China,” one person wrote on the movie review site Douban, drawing more than 200 likes. “That itself is a joke.”

 

Featuring what some call an “Oscar-worthy” performance by Joaquin Phoenix, the film broke box office records this past weekend despite being a subject of controversy. Many worry that the movie invites too much sympathy for a mass murderer and that it might incite copycat crimes.

 

But in China, cinephiles worry the the movie will never land in cinemas because it paints a bleak picture of a violent society. Even when R-rated films do get released in China, though, they can be heavily censored. Logan, known as Wolverine 3 in China, had 14 minutes cut from the China release. The first Deadpool never got a theatrical release in the country, and the sequel was only released when it got a PG-13 cut titled Once Upon a Deadpool.

 

“It can [get released] if they change the name to Happy Comedian and cut some violent scenes,” joked one user on Q&A site Zhihu under a question about the possibility of Joker being released in China.

 

[Bosco685]

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Adrian Raine did not go into his screening of Joker last Friday with lofty expectations. The neurocriminologist is a pioneer in researching the minds of violent criminals, having been the first person to use brain imaging to study murderers. Truthfully, the revered British researcher—who devoted decades of his life to understanding what makes criminals tick—just wasn’t that much of a Batman fan. So when he stepped into a Darlington, England, screening of the controversial Todd Phillips film, it was mostly to spend quality time with his nephews while on break from his professorial duties at the University of Pennsylvania.

 

But what Raine saw onscreen stunned him. According to the neurocriminologist, the -script—from Phillips and Scott Silver—authentically traces the way a man could be driven to deeply troubling acts of violence by a combination of genetics, childhood trauma, untreated mental illness, and societal provocation. And though Raine was not sure how to pronounce Joaquin Phoenix’s name, the neurocriminologist was staggered by the nuance and grim grace the Oscar-nominated actor brought to the role—summoning the odd behavior, appearance, and social tics exhibited by those who suffer from certain personality disorders. Predicted the neurocriminologist, “He’s sure to be in the Oscar race.”

 

“[The film] was a surprisingly accurate prediction of the kind of background and circumstances which, when combined together, make a murderer,” said Raine, who was already considering integrating Joker into a forthcoming course at the University of Pennsylvania. “For 42 years, I’ve studied the cause of crime and violence. And while watching this film, I thought, Wow, what a revelation this was. I need to buy this movie down the road, make excerpt clips of it to illustrate […] It is a great educational tool about the making of the murderer. That threw me,” confessed Raine, still surprised by how much he appreciated the film. “I talk about all of these factors in the class, and honestly, it’s really hard to get a true-life story that fits all of these pieces together, let alone a very dramatic and stylized movie that illustrates these factors quite strongly. That was really a revelation.”

So a comic book movie that actually got the psychology right in forming a criminal? Interesting.

[Bosco685]

 

[the blob]

21 hours ago, ComicConnoisseur said:

What I got a kick out of was how a good number of old time comic fans misjudged how both popular Venom and Joker were. They kept saying both Venom and the Joker movies would bomb because Spider-Man and Batman were not in them. They misjudged how popular Venom and the Joker characters are.

I will go out on a limb and say the Birds of Prey will be a major hit as well.

Not if Harley is as irritating as she was in suicide squad

[the blob]

21 hours ago, ComicConnoisseur said:

Agreed  and that`s why the Birds of Prey will be the Harley Quinn show.

Margot Robbie will strike a chord in modern audiences like Joaquin Phoenix did in Joker.

The two hottest characters in the DC Universe with modern audiences now are the Joker and Harley Quinn.

Sorry Superman fans. lol.

Margot Robbie looks the part and can act (i, Tonya) but they need to tweak the rendition. 

[the blob]

On 8/23/2017 at 6:38 PM, ComicConnoisseur said:

Will be one of the biggest box office hits for DC Comics.

A no-brainer. Should have been made years ago.

Certainly in relation to its budget, but the R rating hurts an makes an aquaman/WW gross impossible.  Unlike deadpool where parents (me) took a child figuring it was not a "strong" R, I am no prude, but I would not take my 8 year old to this and I let him watch deadpool 2.

[Bosco685]

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Yes, yesterday was Columbus Day, but the 13% Monday-to-Monday drop for Joker remains impressive. The DC Films flick earned another $8.4 million on Monday after a $55.861 million (-42%) second weekend to bring its 11-day domestic total of $201.99 million. Presuming the film maintains its 35/65 domestic/overseas split, it has earned around $572 million worldwide as of last night. It’ll presumably cross $600 million worldwide either very late tonight or very early tomorrow.

 

Either way, it’s already going to be the eighth-biggest R-rated grosser in raw global earnings, behind:

• Passion of the Christ ($612 million)
• Logan ($619 million)
• It ($700 million)
• Matrix Reloaded ($742 million)
• Deadpool ($783 million)
• Deadpool 2 ($785 million, counting that PG-13 Once Upon A Deadpool version)
• China’s unrated (but ridiculously violent) Wolf Warrior 2 which earned $854 million in the summer of 2017

 

The Todd Phillips/Joaquin Phoenix drama has already earned more worldwide than It Chapter Two ($445 million) and will pass the $70 million, R-rated sequel’s $207 million running domestic cume sometime today. That will make it the year’s biggest domestic earner that isn’t a Disney and/or Marvel movie, a milestone that (barring a miracle) will only be challenged by Sony’s Jumanji: The Next Level. Its global gross is still under the $700 million likes of China’s Wandering Earth and Ne Zha and Universal’s $755 million-grossing Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (out on EST today), but Joker could easily surpass those films to be the year’s biggest non-Disney/MCU earner of the year. Again, barring a miracle, Jumanji 3 is the only remaining challenger as even Terminator: Dark Fate is being distributed by Fox/Disney overseas.

 

Since it has passed/will pass It Chapter Two, Joker is Warner Bros.’ biggest grosser of the year, with nothing on the docket that will challenge it. Say what you will about DC Films as a brand, but it has unquestionably righted itself in terms of crowd-pleasing and (generally) well-reviewed superhero/supervillain flicks. And it has maintained itself as Warner Bros.’ biggest franchise. From 2012 to 2019, almost every year with a DC Comics movie has seen that film rise to the biggest grosser of the year for WB. Save for 2013, when Man of Steel earned “only” $668 million worldwide, coming in behind Gravity ($723 million) and The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug ($958 million), the Super Friends have ruled the Dream Factory. Heck, Man of Steel’s $291 million domestic cume was bigger than both of those.

 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Bosco685

[zhamlau]

21 hours ago, Bosco685 said:

Some of the reasons why China will most probably not happen.

Joker draws comparisons to Hong Kong protests in China

 

Which is funny, because the film's Joker devoted protesters I thought were based on Antifa (wear masks, fighting against "fascism" and "privilege" all while holding signs talking about "resisting"). I guess the idea of protest in general is a no-go in land of literal re-education camps.