X-23: THE MOVIE from James Mangold (TBD) 2 2

[Bosco685]

Looks like the success of Wonder Woman caught Fox's attention.

'Logan" Spinoff Movie About X-23 Being Scripted

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In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Logan director James Mangold revealed that he is working on a --script for a potential spinoff film about Laura, Wolverine’s clone.

 

"We're just working on a --script," Mangold said of the project.

 

While a --script in the making is not the same thing as a movie being put into production – there’s a long walk between point A and point B in that process – Mangold believes the success of DC Films’ Wonder Woman may lead to more films focused on other female heroes like Laura.

 

"Patty [Jenkins]'s success with that film only solidifies more for studios that there's less to fear with a female protagonist," Mangold says. "The more that keeps getting hit home, that ends up giving me more space turning around and going, 'Well here we are with a female protagonist. That's incredible. And what are we going to do with her?' And that's where we are with that [the Laura --script] right now, dreaming."

 

Edited November 23, 2017 by Bosco685

[mattn792]

"Patty [Jenkins]'s success with that film only solidifies more for studios that there's less to fear with a female protagonist,"

You would think that these insufficiently_thoughtful_persons would focus more on Wonder Woman being fantastic in basically all facets that go into making a blockbuster movie rather than the "Woman" portion of the title, but seeing the slew of scandals pouring out of Hollyweird lately, it really doesn't surprise me that they'd totally miss the mark.

Make a great movie and the audiences will follow, regardless of who is in the lead. 

[rogue14]

On 10/30/2017 at 2:19 PM, mattn792 said:

"Patty [Jenkins]'s success with that film only solidifies more for studios that there's less to fear with a female protagonist,"

You would think that these insufficiently_thoughtful_persons would focus more on Wonder Woman being fantastic in basically all facets that go into making a blockbuster movie rather than the "Woman" portion of the title, but seeing the slew of scandals pouring out of Hollyweird lately, it really doesn't surprise me that they'd totally miss the mark.

Make a great movie and the audiences will follow, regardless of who is in the lead. 

+1

[exitmusicblue]

Let’s go Laura !!!!!!

[oakman29]

On 10/30/2017 at 11:19 AM, mattn792 said:

"Patty [Jenkins]'s success with that film only solidifies more for studios that there's less to fear with a female protagonist,"

You would think that these insufficiently_thoughtful_persons would focus more on Wonder Woman being fantastic in basically all facets that go into making a blockbuster movie rather than the "Woman" portion of the title, but seeing the slew of scandals pouring out of Hollyweird lately, it really doesn't surprise me that they'd totally miss the mark.

Make a great movie and the audiences will follow, regardless of who is in the lead. 

Well said.

[Gatsby77]

On 10/30/2017 at 2:19 PM, mattn792 said:

"Patty [Jenkins]'s success with that film only solidifies more for studios that there's less to fear with a female protagonist,"

You would think that these insufficiently_thoughtful_persons would focus more on Wonder Woman being fantastic in basically all facets that go into making a blockbuster movie rather than the "Woman" portion of the title, but seeing the slew of scandals pouring out of Hollyweird lately, it really doesn't surprise me that they'd totally miss the mark.

Make a great movie and the audiences will follow, regardless of who is in the lead. 

This.

Exactly this.

Writing is what makes the really good comic book films stand out, not incidental demographics. It could be The Dark Knight, Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman or freaking Guardians of the Galaxy (seriously - who thought that was a good idea? And yet - it worked). The common denominator was each of those films told amazing stories, regardless of the characters involved.

Conversely, it's poor writing that led to some of our biggest disappointments (looking at you, Suicide Squad, BvS and Amazing Spider-Man 2).

[drotto]

On 10/30/2017 at 2:19 PM, mattn792 said:

"Patty [Jenkins]'s success with that film only solidifies more for studios that there's less to fear with a female protagonist,"

You would think that these insufficiently_thoughtful_persons would focus more on Wonder Woman being fantastic in basically all facets that go into making a blockbuster movie rather than the "Woman" portion of the title, but seeing the slew of scandals pouring out of Hollyweird lately, it really doesn't surprise me that they'd totally miss the mark.

Make a great movie and the audiences will follow, regardless of who is in the lead. 

I hate to say the attitude with regards to women or other minorities in Hollywood is ingrained in their culture. This has basically been proven by all the alligations now flooding out. Despite the public persona and morality that they constantly shove in everyone's face, it is one of the most entrenched old boys network left anywhere in this country.

 

The public as a whole does not hold the biases and prejudices we are constantly being told we do.  We recognize a good movie and we will go see it. Hollywood has been the group that has failed here not the public. They have failed to give us a desirable product and then turn around and make it our failure by projecting onto us the misogyny and prejudices that are ingrained in their culture.

Edited November 1, 2017 by drotto

[ComicConnoisseur]

1 hour ago, drotto said:

I hate to say the attitude with regards to women or other minorities in Hollywood is ingrained in their culture. This has basically been proven by all the alligations now flooding out. Despite the public persona and morality that they constantly shove in everyone's face, it is one of the most entreched old boys network left anywhere in this country.

 

The public as a whole does not hold the biases and prejudices we are constantly being told we do.  We recognize a good movie and we will go see it. Hollywood has been the group that has failed here not the public. They have failed to give us a desirable product and then turn around and make it our failure by projecting onto us the misogyny and prejudices that are ingrained in their culture.

Good post.

Really for years Hollywood, mainstream media and the washington crowd has been telling the American people that they must change, when all along they were the ones that had the biases and prejudices.

I love that they are being exposed, and this is only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Gatsby77]

Exactly. Disney has been guilty of this too, and Kenner before them?

When they first started re-releasing Star Wars figures back in 1995, the rarest (and thus, most valuable) ones?

Princess Leia and Lando Calrissian.

Because they didn't think female or African American toys would sell.

History repeated itself this summer, when they released a version of Star Wars Monopoly that omitted Rey due to "insufficient interest."

[revat]

5 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:

Exactly. Disney has been guilty of this too, and Kenner before them?

When they first started re-releasing Star Wars figures back in 1995, the rarest (and thus, most valuable) ones?

Princess Leia and Lando Calrissian.

Because they didn't think female or African American toys would sell.

History repeated itself this summer, when they released a version of Star Wars Monopoly that omitted Rey due to "insufficient interest."

to be fair, they run these toys and games on test groups and sales data.  They're not out lose money just for the purpose of being sexist or racist.  And they're also not out to lose money just for the purpose of pushing diversity.  They do the research, follow the data they have, and make the best decisions they can to make the most money.  Generally.  And they may not be right all the time.  Markets can be fickle, and all research can be inconsistent or interpreted inconsistently.  But if Finn and Poe Dameron are selling at roughly 5x better than Rey toys, wouldn't it make more sense financially to include one of them in a monopoly game instead of Rey?  Or would you want to include Rey to give her a push leading into the next movie?  Both are defensible I think, and as consumers we just won't know how they think.

And even though 'people' are 'saying' that things should change, that doesn't always immediately (or ever) translate to dollars spent supporting that change.  And while it "shouldn't" matter if a movie stars/written/directed/produced an underrepresented category of person as much as the quality of the movie, the truth is that it does.  A lot.  Being progressive in terms of rights and opportunities doesn't mean that you yourself are progressive in terms of consumption.  When people are investing they look at track records and comparative samples.  And where there are less samples, there's more risk, which most investors rightfully would rather minimize.  But of course that attitude will keep a lot of people down in the system. 

But hopefully some of these ceilings/barriers can be broken down so in the future we can get the best possible content.  I think there's a lot more progressive new (mostly from tech) millionaires out there now who are getting involved in entertainment, hopefully they get some more risky, interesting stuff done.

[Bosco685]

[rogue14]

4 hours ago, Bosco685 said:

Nice! Hope so too. Movie was good and I can tell there’s more to come for this character.

[Bosco685]

Maybe they can make her into a Disney princess?

One X-Men Character We Hope Doesn't Get Lost In The Disney-Fox Shuffle

 

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Fans knew X-23 would make her grand debut in Logan, but few could've expected the impact that she would have on 2017's slate of comic book movies. Though Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart rightfully took top billing in the final solo Wolverine film, Dafne Keen tapped into the same animalistic tendencies that made Jackman an icon as Wolverine, and she delivered an equally thrilling performance as a young girl coping with her lethal history and abilities.

 

As of right now, there is no other superhero quite like X-23 in any notable superhero franchise. Yes, Marvel has Tom Holland's Peter Parker, and Spider-Man: Homecoming is a delightful PG-13 examination of a teenage superhero life, but there's a unique opportunity to explore the darker side to that concept. Not since the Harry Potter franchise has a studio been presented with an opportunity to allow an actor (and by extension, a character) to grow up and age in front of audiences in a big budget franchise.

 

Perhaps more importantly, Dafne Keen's X-23 is a simply breathe of fresh air with regard to the visuals that her powers bring to the table. Yes, she's a clawed badass just like Wolverine, but her size, agility and ferocity are notably distinct from anything seen from Hugh Jackman's Wolvie over the last 17 years. She's a nimble little fighter who knows how to let out a ferocious scream, and the fact that she's only going to grow means that we will be able to watch how the action changes as she becomes a fully-grown woman with a set of adamantium claws.

 

We already know that Disney isn't entirely averse to maintaining the R-rated integrity of certain X-Men characters. In fact, when speaking about the Deadpool franchise, Disney CEO Bob Iger admitted that Disney would be willing to keep Wade Wilson's franchise R-rated, as long as the studio's marketing team can keep audiences aware of the R-rating. If that holds true, and if viewers show Disney that they want to see more of Laura's unflinchingly brutal tactics, then keeping her around could merely be a proper business decision. After all, as Deadpool showed us, R-rated comic book movies can still make insane amounts of money.

 

[TheBook]

[Bosco685]

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ThePlaylist caught up with Mr. Mangold at the Mill Valley Film Festival to talk about his latest film Ford v. Ferrari starring Christian Bale and Matt Damon. One of the last questions asked was if James was still interested in making his X-23 movie, starring the character Laura from Logan, that he had been slowly developing before the Fox/Disney merger took place.

 

THE PLAYLIST: "Do you still have an interest in writing and directing a solo X-23 film?"

 

MANGOLD: “Yes. Do I still have an interest? Yes! Will it happen? At least in the near future, I doubt it.”

 

James confirmed to TheHollywoodReporter back in October 2017 he was writing a treatment/-script with the character’s creator Craig Kyle who also worked on Thor: Ragnarok.

 

MANGOLD: “Patty’s success with that film only solidifies more for studios that there’s less to fear with a female protagonist.”

 

“The more that keeps getting hit home, that ends up giving me more space turning around and going, ‘Well, here we are with a female protagonist. That’s incredible. And what are we going to do with her?’ And that’s where we are with that [the Laura -script] right now, dreaming.”

 

[mattn792]

Mangold still missing the mark two years later...  

And he should really stop comparing a bit character that hit the pander machine lottery to one that has been an icon since the ‘40s.

[Bosco685]

4 hours ago, mattn792 said:

Mangold still missing the mark two years later...  

And he should really stop comparing a bit character that hit the pander machine lottery to one that has been an icon since the ‘40s.

Your continued Fox X-Men disgruntledness. 

[mattn792]

It’s funny how anyone who posts a dissent is suddenly a Disney apologist in your world.

[Bosco685]

18 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

It’s funny how anyone who posts a dissent is suddenly a Disney apologist in your world.

Where did I call you a Disney apologist in any world? But you definitely take issue with Fox X-Men films. You've stated this multiple times.

[mattn792]

6 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Where did I call you a Disney apologist in any world? But you definitely take issue with Fox X-Men films. You've stated this multiple times.

I take issues with movies that are terrible, and some of those were made by Fox.  None of which plays into my overall point regarding Mangold’s comments, so why even bring it up.