Influx of new sellers on the boards 2 2

[1950's war comics]

Ghost rider 1950 series run is on my bucket list radar !! although not in high grade like that one !!

[FineCollector]

11 hours ago, wombat said:

I honestly don't care if sellers want to contribute to discussion outside of the marketplace or not. Why would I care? I certainly wouldn't want them doing it because they felt obligated to. 

 

I'd like to think there's an added level of protection buying from a member of the community.  The probation list works because people feel at home here, and want to be in good standing.  There's less recourse against someone who'll just move on to another venue if a deal turns sour.  Beyond that, I just like knowing who I'm buying from, and what their preferences are.  It's my experience that buying from someone whose opinions I share like Crassus or thirdgreenham is going to work out a lot better than some rando off eBay.

[Foolkiller]

5 hours ago, comicquant said:

What Ray stated (very clearly) is directly associated with the monetary value of a book and not the book itself.  I guess for some, buying books at a significant discount at one point then having to pay market value may not be palatable, but thats not me (I know its not you either Dave because you're more about the book than most, and thats awesome).  I'm sure most people who have bought books from me know I'm not worried about getting GPA or above (In fact its never even close ).  In most cases I will negotiate for books I buy but always pay a fair price (Often over GPA ).  But, I certainly don't expect everyone else to feel the same.  The reason why I said what I said is because this thread outlined those expectations and I think that sentiment is shared by many.  Some of the responses in this thread support my assumption.          

I would fully expect a majority of violations to be from newbies.  The same concept applies to almost any context you can think of.  The newer you are to something, the more likely you are to make a mistake.  I made the biggest mistake of all in my first sales thread.  I tried to sell a Voldy book !  I see the gravity of the error now but at the time I was actually surprised it was a rule.  And I definitely got heckled for it in the thread but that sort of thing doesn't bother me, but it obviously bothers the majority.  Hector (JSilverJanet --> Yes, her name is Hector) PM'ed me and candidly pointed out selling the competitions books on the boards probably isn't the best idea and sent me a link to the rules.  The sales thread is a vehicle to get new boardies here so treating them with some respect (as you do) will go a long way.  With that said, when a person with a single post tries to sell an 9.6 AF15 with no scans and says they'll only take cash or BitCoin I will readily jump in on the heckling.         

This isn't just my personal point of view or assumption.  I've had tens of dozens of collectors on other comic collecting venues (Instagram etc) claim they stay away from the CGC boards because of what I've described.  To be fair I've heard much worse about Facebook groups but I'm not in any so its neither here nor there.  I like the boards and I've learned more about the hobby here than anywhere else and have made some friends along the way.  If it takes bringing up the painfully obvious on occasion to help keep it a great place, I'll do so.  And in the future if I catch myself wishing for the good ol' days I hope I have the insight to realize things change and its better to change with them than to complain about them.  If I do end up complaining about them I'm sure this thread will resurface in a hurry!  

I'm not 100% sure you're interpreting the comment on pricing correctly either as a "complaint" but regardless of that, let me make a slightly different take on that.  In years prior, I believe that boardies discounted books to one another, or were more accommodating in terms of filling in folks' collections etc.  Not everyone did this, but there were several people who did.  When I originally started selling, I definitely took that attitude and I always wanted to pass on discounts to people I believed were trying to fill in things for their collection or give other dealers a deal too.  The culture did shift and there's nothing wrong with wanting market value, but as the marketplace became more about sales and less about community, I think it became more of just another place to sell.  And I'm guilty of contributing to that too as I had some massive sales threads that were very popular, but I was seeing it more as a place to sell and a little less about the people I was selling to.  People are entitled to ask whatever they want and of course for books that are hot, they should ask whatever they feel is fair.  I would say when I am truly interested in moving something I perceive as common, I discount to GPA because we are on a fee free forum.  Cost of doing business if I go to eBay or I have to auction it, and I pass that savings on if I can.  But I don't want to call out someone either for not agreeing with my particular philosophy because I don't know that theirs is wrong, I just have a different approach.  If people feel "entitled" to a lower price then I agree with you.  If people are endlessly heckled for not following the rules, I agree.  But I think the overwhelming majority of folks here are welcoming and kind.  This has to be one of the most active marketplaces on a board out there.

[wombat]

39 minutes ago, FineCollector said:

I'd like to think there's an added level of protection buying from a member of the community.  The probation list works because people feel at home here, and want to be in good standing.  There's less recourse against someone who'll just move on to another venue if a deal turns sour.  Beyond that, I just like knowing who I'm buying from, and what their preferences are.  It's my experience that buying from someone whose opinions I share like Crassus or thirdgreenham is going to work out a lot better than some rando off eBay.

And all of that still exists. Just buy from those particular sellers that are like that. 

[oakman29]

I really dont know if I have a say on this topic or not. I probably dont buy enough to make a difference,and I  dont sell.

I usually tend to stay with the sellers I know and trust, but it's good to have new blood in the community.

the community will weed out the sellers who break the rules

[lizards2]

12 minutes ago, oakman29 said:

I really dont know if I have a say on this topic or not. I probably dont buy enough to make a difference,and I  dont sell.

I usually tend to stay with the sellers I know and trust, but it's good to have new blood in the community.

the community will weed out the sellers who break the rules

Yes.  And trust can be accentuated by paying with Paypal using a credit card, in case there is a dispute....., 

[TheFifthHorseman]

On 11/1/2017 at 8:01 PM, thehumantorch said:

Ultimately, like anywhere else, sellers who've earned the respect of the community will do better than new guys.  I'm a lot more likely, a lot, to buy from a seller I trust than someone I don't know.  

+100

The community here is alive and well! Just ask @Comcav 

[szav]

Those good ole days musta been something to see...I've only been buying and selling here for about 6 months and I'm still like holy #$@^ this is the best thing ever.

Gotten 2 hard to find in grade GA books at very reasonable prices from putting up WTB posts....traded one nice book I had for some cash and 8 other books with someone 2,000 miles away from me...sold a few things at a nice but not ridiculous profit... and have bought a few books that I was never able to find even on ebay in over a year of searching.  If there's any other forum where I could do this someone please point me to it!

[raybowles]

15 hours ago, thehumantorch said:

With respect, I don't see Ray's post as motivated by a sense of entitlement.   I believe he's pointing out that the sales forum has changed and it's more and more just a venue to move books for anyone wanting to make a buck rather than an offshoot of this collecting community.  It's also a direct reflection of what's happening in the hobby as it becomes more about what a book is worth than the book itself.

The rules are there for a reason and there's nothing wrong with politely pointing out or pming the seller about a problem.  The majority of violations are new boardies and usually the problem is related to the seller's bottom line.  

+1. Great post.

[comicquant]

2 hours ago, szavisca said:

Those good ole days musta been something to see...I've only been buying and selling here for about 6 months and I'm still like holy #$@^ this is the best thing ever.

Gotten 2 hard to find in grade GA books at very reasonable prices from putting up WTB posts....traded one nice book I had for some cash and 8 other books with someone 2,000 miles away from me...sold a few things at a nice but not ridiculous profit... and have bought a few books that I was never able to find even on ebay in over a year of searching.  If there's any other forum where I could do this someone please point me to it!

Agree 100%!  I’ve bought most of my books off the boards and couldn’t be happier.  I’m always confident in the books I get and don’t have to worry about the hassles involved with buying on eBay etc.  Its an honest community which weeds out the bad seeds quickly.  

Sales threads are also educational.  A couple of weeks ago @Ltpink2002 put on a museum-level sales thread that was entertaining just as a spectator.  Books I’ve never seen and books you rarely see for sale or in auction.  You won’t find these opportunities anywhere else and I find that invaluable.

2 hours ago, TheFifthHorseman said:

+100

The community here is alive and well! Just ask @Comcav 

When Comcav starts selling tickets to his museum I’ll be first in line to buy one!!!

[lizards2]

On 11/4/2017 at 12:19 PM, comicquant said:

 If the boards are that important to you do us all favors and take a lesson from the sqeggs, jimjums, gotham kids, GAtors, blazingbobs, vintagecomics, lizards and Marwoods ( <-- newbies, follow these people) of the boards and learn how to positively support the community by making worthwhile contributions.

  

I know you didn't know this, because you were blindfolded during the initiation ceremony, but I was the one with the biggest paddle.

[thehumantorch]

1 hour ago, comicquant said:

Agree 100%!  I’ve bought most of my books off the boards and couldn’t be happier.  I’m always confident in the books I get and don’t have to worry about the hassles involved with buying on eBay etc.  Its an honest community which weeds out the bad seeds quickly.  

Sales threads are also educational.  A couple of weeks ago @Ltpink2002 put on a museum-level sales thread that was entertaining just as a spectator.  Books I’ve never seen and books you rarely see for sale or in auction.  You won’t find these opportunities anywhere else and I find that invaluable.

When Comcav starts selling tickets .0

0is museum I’ll be first in line to buy one!!!

  I don't think I can afford a ticket

[Architecht]

Oh man... does a market-place specific thread qualify for my official "the end is coming/here" post? I think I need a ruling... who mods the mods? I might be busted for being off topic...

[comicdonna]

[BlowUpTheMoon]

3 minutes ago, Architecht said:

who mods the mods?

[entalmighty1]

I haven't been here as long as a lot of you, and lurked for quite some time before I contributed, mostly because I didn't feel like I knew enough to contribute anything worthwhile.  Over time, the amount of knowledge I've gleaned from these boards is staggering.

On topic, I don't think the marketplace is what it was even 5 years ago, yet I still manage to find incredible books at reasonable prices.  Most of the books in my collection that I classify as "untouchable" have come from this marketplace.  I feel like sellers offering fantastic books to this community still happens with great frequency.  Some of the books I've gotten here I feel like would have been unattainable had they gone to auction.  I've built enough of a relationship with people that sometimes sellers reach out to me with specific books before they list just because they know I'm looking for something.  Try finding that on ebay, or Heritage.

The marketplace is just one aspect of this community that makes it amazing, sometimes it just takes people a minute to find their way to the other forums. 

Plus, who wants to talk to @lizards2 or @oakman29 that much anyway?  

[lizards2]

4 minutes ago, entalmighty1 said:

I haven't been here as long as a lot of you, and lurked for quite some time before I contributed, mostly because I didn't feel like I knew enough to contribute anything worthwhile.  Over time, the amount of knowledge I've gleaned from these boards is staggering.

On topic, I don't think the marketplace is what it was even 5 years ago, yet I still manage to find incredible books at reasonable prices.  Most of the books in my collection that I classify as "untouchable" have come from this marketplace.  I feel like sellers offering fantastic books to this community still happens with great frequency.  Some of the books I've gotten here I feel like would have been unattainable had they gone to auction.  I've built enough of a relationship with people that sometimes sellers reach out to me with specific books before they list just because they know I'm looking for something.  Try finding that on ebay, or Heritage.

The marketplace is just one aspect of this community that makes it amazing, sometimes it just takes people a minute to find their way to the other forums. 

Plus, who wants to talk to @lizards2 or @oakman29 that much anyway?  

You were pretty talkative at the Bareback Lounge last Friday, at least until we left for your apartment.

I wouldn't diss Oakie too much though, as he's got reaper skills.

[Old Fashion PB and J]

I stopped seeing deals here years ago. And I believe the "sense of community" was really trashed by the people who use these boards as nothing more than a venue to sell things at the same price and avoid paying fees as well. There are a few "well known sellers" that I absolutely can not stand because I don't believe they give a rats behind about the people here, only their money. I used to love selling here, now I upload 50 books and then im like "I'll just dump them on ebay". I REALLY miss the old guard when it comes to this, people would actually PM you saying that someone is selling something youre looking for. Now everything is either marked up over FMV or bought in 15 seconds and relisted for a higher price at another venue. Heck, you cant even believe the "its for my collection" anymore. Tons of guys pulled that and then dumped it for profit a day later.

 

 Ah well, rant over.

[revat]

20 minutes ago, lizards2 said:

26 minutes ago, entalmighty1 said:

I haven't been here as long as a lot of you, and lurked for quite some time before I contributed, mostly because I didn't feel like I knew enough to contribute anything worthwhile.  Over time, the amount of knowledge I've gleaned from these boards is staggering.

On topic, I don't think the marketplace is what it was even 5 years ago, yet I still manage to find incredible books at reasonable prices.  Most of the books in my collection that I classify as "untouchable" have come from this marketplace.  I feel like sellers offering fantastic books to this community still happens with great frequency.  Some of the books I've gotten here I feel like would have been unattainable had they gone to auction.  I've built enough of a relationship with people that sometimes sellers reach out to me with specific books before they list just because they know I'm looking for something.  Try finding that on ebay, or Heritage.

The marketplace is just one aspect of this community that makes it amazing, sometimes it just takes people a minute to find their way to the other forums. 

Plus, who wants to talk to @lizards2 or @oakman29 that much anyway?  

You were pretty talkative at the Bareback Lounge last Friday, at least until we left for your apartment.

I wouldn't diss Oakie too much though, as he's got reaper skills.

I read the last line as 'rapper skills'

[Old Fashion PB and J]

16 hours ago, Architecht said:

Oh man... does a market-place specific thread qualify for my official "the end is coming/here" post? I think I need a ruling... who mods the mods? I might be busted for being off topic...

 If we can listen to captain insane O ramble about himself in 6 threads, I think it's safe to say we are okay with discussing the current temperature of the boards without to much wrist-slappin' action.

 

 But I do miss you dropping in and having a few laughs. Arch is always going to be the best Mod.