Bought a raw "unrestored" comic from a boardie and it's come back Qualified 1 1

[thehumantorch]

Glad this has been resolved.

Edited January 14, 2018 by thehumantorch

[woowoo]

1 hour ago, vaillant said:

Glad this was solved amicably – but controversy aside I have to add that it’s a beautiful book: I wouldn‘t care at all if the cover is married, especially considered that it’s hard to tell it is.
The interesting thing is that I had the opposite experience with a Hulk #181 which the seller sold me as being with the MVS page married.
After examining it I was pretty much convinced it was, but a friend of mine which knows how to grade said it wasn't. It was one of the few I have had CGC graded (too time consuming from here) and it came back as a Blue label. But I am still convinced it was very likely a "marriage".

So I would ask: if the book is for your collection (not to resell) why is so crucial that it’s not a Qualified? I am not speaking of restoration (although I would apply the same criteria to very light color touch)?
But this is a matter for a specific topic.

What page is the picture at I don't recall seeing a pic of the book

[vaillant]

45 minutes ago, woowoo said:

What page is the picture at I don't recall seeing a pic of the book

Just scroll back, he posted it a few pages back. Also you can see it raw by browsing the “topics” feed from the seller (Atlasfan).

[woowoo]

4 minutes ago, vaillant said:

Just scroll back, he posted it a few pages back. Also you can see it raw by browsing the “topics” feed from the seller (Atlasfan).

send me a link Football my kid chicken wings and shots are killing me today

[gadzukes]

[woowoo]

1 hour ago, gadzukes said:

Strange its still original cover and insides with no resto so why green  back in the day the covers where printed and the insides printed and they added the cover so what is the big deal. Green does bring the price down by 33% the way I see it. gadzukes nice book

[jimjum12]

On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 5:03 PM, AtlasFan said:

Not to drag this tar and feathering out any longer, but sometimes LIFE (jobs, family, health, etc.) gets in the way of responding to a CGC message with regards to a sale that was made over 6 MONTHS AGO. I guess in this world today people are always expected to respond in real time to everything and anything instantly.  The terms in that sales thread stated that any returns would be honored upon receipt of the books. Regardless, the buyer and I came to an agreement and the matter is settled.

I am not a professional comic dealer, but just a collector that wanted to sell his collection off. Over the years, I used to get a chuckle when I would see threads where the "CGC GOON Squad" would pounce on sellers for one reason or another and shame them into bending over in public humiliation. Having experienced a taste of it here, my feelings were mixed. At first it was amusing, but then when people start making judgments while sourcing it from the nether regions, it became quite disturbing.  An interesting life experience.

 

 

[vaillant]

On 14/1/2018 at 5:12 AM, woowoo said:

Strange its still original cover and insides with no resto so why green  back in the day the covers where printed and the insides printed and they added the cover so what is the big deal. Green does bring the price down by 33% the way I see it. gadzukes nice book

Green does not imply restoration, it’s just “Qualified”. Again, from the pictures I don’t see anything indicating a married cover anyway. 

[woowoo]

10 hours ago, vaillant said:

Green does not imply restoration, it’s just “Qualified”. Again, from the pictures I don’t see anything indicating a married cover anyway. 

I know that but as far as me it drops the price and 20 blues with 1 green makes people  

[vaillant]

1 hour ago, woowoo said:

I know that but as far as me it drops the price and 20 blues with 1 green makes people  

It might do, but it’s largely perception. Personally, unless it’s a common book, I wouldn’t care at all.
Inversely glad that they’re less expensive.
Of course, if "Qualified" means missing a page or a part of the book, the question is entirely different.

[ThreeSeas]

Okay, that looks like a nice book and I had to blow up the picture to try an figure out why they would say the cover is married. The picture is not the sharpest to me, but it does appear that there are staple holes below each staple. So extra unused staple holes = married cover. I would imagine the only way to not have it detected is to be lucky enough with both the holes and original factory trim matching up.

Edited January 15, 2018 by ThreeSeas
corrected grammer

[namisgr]

I'm wondering why the comic was graded so harshly.  The front cover looks near mint.  I've seen plenty of CGC-graded 9.4 comics with fuzzy or gaping staple holes from where the cover moved in relation to the staples when it was pressed.

Edited January 15, 2018 by namisgr

[Get Marwood & I]

47 minutes ago, ThreeSeas said:

Okay, that looks like a nice book and I had to blow up the picture to try an figure out why they would say the cover is married. The picture is not the sharpest to me, but it does appear that there are staple holes below each staple. So extra unused staple holes = married cover. I would imagine the only way to not have it detected is to be lucky enough with both the holes and original factory trim matching up.

I can see two dots below each staple too, when you zoom in. Often in these cases the evidence is much more apparent with the book in hand. The internal pages are cream to off white, yet the cover spine and title wording look bone white. Maybe in hand, the cover doesn't match the interior in a very obvious way, and the encapsulation hides this. It's fairly pointless really grade querying slabbed books. You can't see what's inside, and they often don't tell you of internal issues on the label or, indeed, the graders notes. If there are any that is.

[lizards2]

10 minutes ago, Marwood & I said:

1 hour ago, ThreeSeas said:

Okay, that looks like a nice book and I had to blow up the picture to try an figure out why they would say the cover is married. The picture is not the sharpest to me, but it does appear that there are staple holes below each staple. So extra unused staple holes = married cover. I would imagine the only way to not have it detected is to be lucky enough with both the holes and original factory trim matching up.

I can see two dots below each staple too, when you zoom in. Often in these cases the evidence is much more apparent with the book in hand. The internal pages are cream to off white, yet the cover spine and title wording look bone white. Maybe in hand, the cover doesn't match the interior in a very obvious way, and the encapsulation hides this. It's fairly pointless really grade querying slabbed books. You can't see what's inside, and they often don't tell you of internal issues on the label or, indeed, the graders notes. If there are any that is.

I can see that too - but I don't know if it is the power of suggestion, or not.  The bottom set even appears to have the characteristic V-d out staple bends where the old staple used to be.  It would be interesting if it was that easy, but we'll probably never know for sure.

[Get Marwood & I]

1 minute ago, lizards2 said:

I can see that too - but I don't know if it is the power of suggestion, or not.  The bottom set even appears to have the characteristic V-d out staple bends where the old staple used to be.  It would be interesting if it was that easy, but we'll probably never know for sure.

Trust you to bring V-d into it liz 

[Bomber-Bob]

40 minutes ago, namisgr said:

I'm wondering why the comic was graded so harshly.  The front cover looks near mint.  I've seen plenty of CGC-graded 9.4 comics with fuzzy or gaping staple holes from where the cover moved in relation to the staples when it was pressed.

I'm pretty sure the presence of the original staple holes caused the 7.5 . 

Edited January 15, 2018 by Bomber-Bob

[Get Marwood & I]

1 minute ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I'm pretty the presence of the original staple holes caused the 7.5 . 

I agree, about the holes and you being pretty 

[Get Marwood & I]

Warming to the subject, everyone seems to agree the cover is stunning, potential extra holes notwithstanding. So, what circumstances would lead to it being taken off its original book and stuck on to another book with staple holes that don't align? How could the original interior have got to the point condition wise of warranting that action? 

[gadzukes]

8 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I'm pretty sure the presence of the original staple holes caused the 7.5 . 

Wow... you sleuths are amazing.  I just got out my loupe and sure enough there is an extra hole a micro distance away from where the staples are.  Simply amazing, I never caught that.  It is truly a married cover, unless it's a weird migration of the cover.  

I thought I was going to have to crack it open and look at the staple placement at the CF to look for extra holes.

I feel a little foolish now.  I really feel I'm very good at spotting this stuff, but I 100% missed it.

I still feel the "grade" was a little harsh.

[Bomber-Bob]

37 minutes ago, gadzukes said:

Wow... you sleuths are amazing.  I just got out my loupe and sure enough there is an extra hole a micro distance away from where the staples are.  Simply amazing, I never caught that.  It is truly a married cover, unless it's a weird migration of the cover.  

I thought I was going to have to crack it open and look at the staple placement at the CF to look for extra holes.

I feel a little foolish now.  I really feel I'm very good at spotting this stuff, but I 100% missed it.

I still feel the "grade" was a little harsh.

I suspect the original holes go through the wraps as well, all the way to the centerfold.  Also, there are probably two holes at each staple with the second hole covered up (hidden) by the staple itself. So, you may now have 4 distinct holes, permeating the whole book . With that in mind, I don't know, does 7.5 seem reasonable ?