mattn792 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Back on topic though, you have to admit its hard not to be pessimistic about the creative process, or lack thereof, that has gone into crafting ROS. Abrams' track record isn't exactly littered with masterpieces of original storytelling. szav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rip said: This looked cool to me. I'm hoping for the best Holy . I remember those flying storm troopers from Battlefront II. I always wondered why they weren't in the movies. Rip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, mattn792 said: Back on topic though, you have to admit its hard not to be pessimistic about the creative process, or lack thereof, that has gone into crafting ROS. Abrams' track record isn't exactly littered with masterpieces of original storytelling. He didn't write the movie alone, though (unlike deplorable RJ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Abrams said this morning he just finished the movie yesterday. I haven't been happy with everything. but I'm hoping for the best. Mr Sneeze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mattn792 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said: He didn't write the movie alone, though (unlike deplorable RJ). Either way, we'll at least have our answer in a few weeks. Maybe Khan will make a cameo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, mattn792 said: Either way, we'll at least have our answer in a few weeks. Maybe Khan will make a cameo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said: He didn't write the movie alone, though (unlike deplorable RJ). RJ didn't write The Last Jedi alone, either. Everything in it was approved by the Lucasfilm Story Group. Although - apparently RJ's outline did lead to Gareth Edwards' departure for Episode 9. And (for the umpteenth time), I don't understand the vitriol of folks who neither expected nor liked that Luke threw away his lightsaber in the opening scene. It's *entirely* consistent with both what we know of Jedi Masters and of Luke himself: 1) When we meet Yoda in Empire, he corrects Luke when he says he's looking for a "great warrior." Yoda replies "Wars not make one great." He then proceeds to teach Luke that Jedi's act defensively, never for offense. He - like Mr. Miyagi in the Karate Kid -- and, by inference, all true Jedi Masters, is a pacifist. 2) Luke already threw away his lightsaber. In Jedi, during the final battle. So his doing so again when presented to him by a stranger some 30 years later = both in character and with precedent. ▫️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Gatsby77 said: RJ didn't write The Last Jedi alone, either. Everything in it was approved by the Lucasfilm Story Group. Although - apparently RJ's outline did lead to Gareth Edwards' departure for Episode 9. And (for the umpteenth time), I don't understand the vitriol of folks who neither expected nor liked that Luke threw away his lightsaber in the opening scene. It's *entirely* consistent with both what we know of Jedi Masters and of Luke himself: 1) When we meet Yoda in Empire, he corrects Luke when he says he's looking for a "great warrior." Yoda replies "Wars not make one great." He then proceeds to teach Luke that Jedi's act defensively, never for offense. He - like Mr. Miyagi in the Karate Kid -- and, by inference, all true Jedi Masters, is a pacifist. 2) Luke already threw away his lightsaber. In Jedi, during the final battle. So his doing so again when presented to him by a stranger some 30 years later = both in character and with precedent. They turned that interaction into a joke - just like they did to the entire history of Star Wars during the whole movie. That is why. Very simple. Larryw7, mattn792, Catwomancomics and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Rian Johnson, for all intents and purposes, did write The Last Jedi alone. He has the only actual writing credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 wildly_fanciful_statement. Pablo Hidalgo's already refuted that. While it's (allegedly) since been disbanded, the Lucasfilm Story Group approved every aspect of the -script and plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 "Approved" ≠ wrote. I design/engineer parts. Another engineer (or manager) will "approve" them. They didn't design them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwomancomics Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) @Gatsby77 Luke wouldn’t have thrown his lightsaber down in ROTJ if he knew about the Sith power of electricity. That was unseen in the trilogy/ SW universe up to that point. edit: Luke did it to defy the wishes/commands of the Emperor to strike his father down, not as a joke. Edited November 25, 2019 by Catwomancomics Larryw7 and theCapraAegagrus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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theCapraAegagrus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Kenobi didn't know about Sidious' lightning ability, did he? Edit: He knew about Tyranus', though, for sure. Edited November 25, 2019 by theCapraAegagrus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said: Kenobi didn't know about Sidious' lightning ability, did he? Edit: He knew about Tyranus', though, for sure. Maybe he didn't believe in the transitive property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, mattn792 said: Maybe he didn't believe in the transitive property. To be fair, Maul didn't have lightning, so he couldn't just assume every Sith Lord has it. Vader never had it, either. Maybe you can only get it when you're a Senior Sith Lord. 65 and older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, theCapraAegagrus said: To be fair, Maul didn't have lightning, so he couldn't just assume every Sith Lord has it. Vader never had it, either. Maybe you can only get it when you're a Senior Sith Lord. 65 and older. SIU - Sith Initiates Union. At 65 you get your union pension and lightning hands. Speaking of...I proposed that his long lost brother Steve be a retired union carpenter. Maybe a computer glitch causes the SIU to think Steve is one of theirs, then all of a sudden Steve gets his lightning hands, and at that point he's got to use them...oh man, this long lost brother plot writes itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grendel72 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said: To be fair, Maul didn't have lightning, so he couldn't just assume every Sith Lord has it. Vader never had it, either. Maybe you can only get it when you're a Senior Sith Lord. 65 and older. Think the only reason Vader couldnt use force lightning was because of his mechanical arms. Not that he didnt have the ability. He was potentially the most powerful user of the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, Catwomancomics said: @Gatsby77 Luke wouldn’t have thrown his lightsaber down in ROTJ if he knew about the Sith power of electricity. That was unseen in the trilogy/ SW universe up to that point. edit: Luke did it to defy the wishes/commands of the Emperor to strike his father down, not as a joke. Nope. Misses the point entirely. Which was Luke had finally attained mastery over the temptations of the Dark Side. He knew the only way to win was...not to play. Since the beginning, Yoda had taught him that Jedi only react defensively, and here the Emperor was urging him to give in to his basest impulses - "Strike him down, join me, and you shall become more powerful than you can imagine" or what-have-you. Instead, Luke "won" (showed he couldn't be corrupted by the Dark Side) by throwing away his lightsaber. His refusal to glorify his own lightsaber -- or to join the fight -- in the opening of TLJ is, again *entirely consistent* with the Jedi ethos, and what Luke had known for 30 years. In addition -- in walking away and refusing to (initially) train Rey -- Luke reflected exactly what Yoda had done to him initially in Empire. There was a wonderful symmetry there. Mr Sneeze and ▫️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
