2018 "THIS SCORE NEEDS FIXIN" REQUESTS
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I think Real Life Comics 3 with the classic Schomberg Hitler cover is one of the most highly desired books and is very undervalued in the registry. 

most recent sales are from 2017 

9.0 was 20K

5.5 was 5.2K 

census shows 33 copies with most being between a 6.0 and 2.0 

highest are

2 x 9.0   (current points 8840) 

3 x 8.0   (3713)

4 x 7.0   (1856) 

thank you

Joe

 

 

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Thank-you for DD update GirlHasNoName?

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Iron Man 55

Book is steadily increasing in value. Thanos’ popularity is exploding. 

 

Thanos 13 (2016 series)

1st App Cosmic Ghost Rider

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Phantom Lady Fox Features 1947 point values are an incomprehensible mess now.  It was nice that you guys upped the points on some but there is no rhyme or reason to how out of proportion to their FMVs or even OPG values certain issue are.

The OPG 9.2 values are as follows

13 - $8,000

14-16 - $4,700

17 - $25,000

18,19 - $4,000

20-22  -$3,500

23 - $10,000

Actual FMVs are double or more for all of these.  

Some how you guys have 16 worth more points than 13....15 worth half of 14 and 16....22 worth about 1/4th of 21...…..and 17 worth about 1/4th what it should really be.

Appreciate the time you guys take even making the registry and updating it etc. but they're just so far out of whack right now that comparing the sets is pointless. If you want to keep it simple just look at the OPG for the proper point groupings/proportions.

Thanks much.

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On 6/22/2018 at 8:57 PM, szavisca said:

Phantom Lady Fox Features 1947 point values are an incomprehensible mess now.  It was nice that you guys upped the points on some but there is no rhyme or reason to how out of proportion to their FMVs or even OPG values certain issue are.

The OPG 9.2 values are as follows

13 - $8,000

14-16 - $4,700

17 - $25,000

18,19 - $4,000

20-22  -$3,500

23 - $10,000

Actual FMVs are double or more for all of these.  

Some how you guys have 16 worth more points than 13....15 worth half of 14 and 16....22 worth about 1/4th of 21...…..and 17 worth about 1/4th what it should really be.

Appreciate the time you guys take even making the registry and updating it etc. but they're just so far out of whack right now that comparing the sets is pointless. If you want to keep it simple just look at the OPG for the proper point groupings/proportions.

Thanks much.

Your 17 and 23 being the same score is HILARIOUS!  But shouldn't Pacole be #1 since his set is 100% complete?  (:

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Hi Mollie,

I've come to plead the case for adjustments to registry points allocated to Detective 34.

For that I gathered data points of all public sales for 2018 (Jan - Aug) across several venues. Some have likely reported their sales to GPA, others haven't. We are talking about a book from 1939 so not that many sales to report :wink:

They are as follows:

  • (2018) Tec 34 5.5 $7300* eBay -> registry points for a 5.5 (4140)
  • (2018) Tec 34 5.0 $6100* Comiclink -> registry points for a 5.0 (3450)
  • (2018) Tec 34 2.5 $2900* Hakes -> registry points for a 2.5 (1380)
  • (2018) Tec 34 7.0 (R) EP $1900* Heritage -> registry points for a 7.0 EP (1087)

*rounded values

There is a noticeable upward swing from sales results of 2017.

There are no 34s in the next round of auctions of the BIG 3 ( Heritage, ComicConnect and ComicLink ) so I don't expect many more data points until the end of the year. As there are a Total of only 70 copies (42 Universal + 28Restored) on the census, it is only natural they don't come up all that often.

I think a 2.0-2.5 multiplier should correctly adjust most registry points across Universal and Restored grades for Detective 34 to today's FMVs.

Thanks for your consideration and have a nice day.

- Peter

Edited by Gotham Kid

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Hello,

I request that Amazing Spider-Man 265, first printing, receive an increase in points, currently worth 88 points, as this issue is selling, for example, on ebay, for an average of approximately $300.00. Below I have provided a sample of recent eBay sales for this issue.

Thank you for your review of the point value of this issue.

 

Amazing Spider-Man #265 (Jun 1985) CGC Graded 9.8 1st Silver Sable Appearance

$307.99
Jun-29 12:09

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #265 - CGC 9.8 White - NM/MT 1st SILVER SABLE 1st Print

$299.95
Jun-27 18:37

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #265 CGC 9.8 FIRST SILVER SABLE 1985

$285.00
Jun-15 08:37

 

 

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hi mollie I got no points for #1278118009 aquaman rebirth #6 variant  thanks

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Amazing Spider-Man #667 Dell' Otto Variant - Last 9.8 sale Aug 2017 $10,000. Currently worth 40 points like any other modern 9.8

As rare as this is, seems like it would be worth much more. 

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Mollie, I'm editing this now that I see you are catching up, and I'm adding additional comparable sale information for various books in this set through the end of November.  Take a look at the point allocations for some of the Avon one-shots.  Here are the ones that stand out as being worth 3X to 14X the point allocations based on recent sales prices:

Behind Prison Bars.  A 4.5 sold for $262.90 on HA 5/13/18.  CGC points for a 4.5 are only 34, or less than 1/7th the sales price.

Complete Romance.  I've never understood why the reprint, Women to Love, gets a much higher point award.  A 6.0 copy of Complete Romance sold for $232 on Clink 1/27/17; CGC points are less than 1/3rd of this at only 76.

Dead Who Walk.  A 6.5 copy sold for $717 on HA 7/2/17; CGC points are only 122.  Other sales:  9/25/18 Comicconnect 4.0 copy for $730 (points = 57), 11/17/18 Heritage 4.5 copy $750 (points = 65).

Diary of Horror.  A 5.5 sold for $402 3/31/17 on Clink and a raw F-/5.5 sold on HA for $657.25 12/3/17.  CGC points for a 5.5 are 79, roughly 1/8th of the recent raw sales price.

Flying Saucers nn.  A raw F- just sold last week on HA for $288; CGC points for a 5.5 copy of this book are only 82.

Going Steady with Betty.  A 7.5. sold for $310.70 on HA 3/22/15, another 7.5 sold for $328 on Clink 1/27/17, and a raw vg sold for $114 on HA 2/18/18.  CGC points for 4.0 = 14, for 7.5 = 50, less than 1/6th the selling prices.  A6.5 copy sold by Heritage 11/17/18 for $132 (points = 30).

Hooded Menace.  A 6.5 sold for $425 9/13/17 on Clink.  A vg- sold for $158.94 and a vg-f sold for $286.80 on HA in 2016.  The CGC points for a 6.5 are less than 1/4th of last year's sales price.

Mask of Dr. Fu Manchu.  A 4.0 sold for $318 on Clink 3/15/18.  CGC points are only 140.

Night of Mystery.  A raw vg-f sold on HA for $155.35 6/26/16, and a 5.0 sold on Clink for $186 on 1/27/17.  CGC points for this grade are only 68.

Phantom Witch Doctor.  a 4.5 sold for $450 on Clink 3/24/16, and a 7.0 sold for $597.50 on HA 12/18/16.  CGC points are 57 and 149 for these two grades, or 1/8th and 1/4th the sales prices for these grades.  Also 3.0 copy sold on Clink 10/25/18 for $432 (points = 36), a 7.0 copy sold on Clink 11/29/18 for $1932 (points = 149).

Prison Riot.  A 7.5 copy sold for $248 a little less than three years ago, nearly triple the 94 points CGC awards for the grade.

Reform School Girl.  A 6.5 sold for $9,560 on 2/22/18.  An 8.0 sold for $16,730 a year earlier on 2/23/17, and would likely sell for more now.  CGC points for 6.5 = 1500, and for 8.0 = 4200, 1/6th and 1/4th this year's and last year's sales prices respectively.

Robotmen of the Lost Planet.  Recent sales are 7.5 copy on Clink 12/8/16 $1,320 (points = 450), 2.5 copy on Clink 7/26/18 for $$205 (points = 72), 2.0 raw on Heritage $161.33 (points = 54).

Rocket to the Moon.  A 6.0 copy sold on Heritage 11/17/18 for $780 (points = 239).

Sideshow.  An 8.5 copy sold on Heritage 11/17/18 for $2640 (points = 402).

Space Thrillers.  5.0 copy sold Heritage 8/19/18 for $1560 (points = 188).

Western Bandits.  Even the westerns are out of whack.  A 7.0 sold on Clink for $292 last year while the CGC points for a 7.0 are only 41.

Many others strike me as inordinately low, though the books are so scarce and change hands so rarely that there is no recent sales date available.  Atomic Spy Cases is assigned 33 points for a vg copy, but a vg copy sold for 3X that two years ago.  CGC lists points for Sideshow as 11 for a 0.5 copy while My Comic Shop wants $169 for the poor/0.5 copy they have because they know how scarce the book is.  Space Thrillers is also acknowledged by Gerber to be scarce and Metropolis wants $300 for an extensively restored (piece replaced) copy they grade at F+, but CGC would only award 281 points for a totally unrestored 6.5.  Metro wants $80 for what they call a "scarce" vg copy of King Solomon's Mines that CGC would award less than half as many points for owning, etc., etc.  I don't envy you trying to keep up with a vibrant and dynamic market, but your efforts in response to my prior observations are appreciated.

 

 

Edited by keever
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Mollie, a few more observations about books that are selling for 3-8X the points CCGC award (and in one case more than 42 times higher than the CGC points):

Ace Horror books.  I see you upped the points considerably for some of the Baffling Mysteries books, thank you.  Take a look at some of the other Ace horror lines.  There aren't many reported sales but here are a few I found from the last 365 days for Web of Mystery:  #6 7.0 for $286.80 (CGC points = 115) #7 8.0 for $549.50 (CGC points = 230); #14 5.5 for $190 (CGC points = 57); #16 5.5 for $239 (CGC points = 57); #27 5.0 for $190 (CGC points = 53). Here are some from the last year for Hand of Fate:  #8 8.5 for $657.50 (CGC points = 469); #9 8.5 for $896.25 (CGC points = 268); #10 8.5 for $597.50 (CGC points = 268); #13 7.0 of $274.85 (CGC points = 69).  Only a couple of The Beyond series sold within the last year on HA but they tell the same story; #18 raw F+ for $286.80 (CGC points = 71); #27 6.0 for $2,031.50 (CGC points = 48 !!!- CGC needs to recognize that this is a high demand SOTI book).

Cow Puncher.  I see you upped the points for #s 2 and 6, but the others with GGA covers (all but #1) are in higher demand also at 4-8X the points awarded.  A #3 7.5 sold on Clink for $403, CGC points are only 84.  A #5 6.5 sold for $286.80 on HA in 2016, but CGC points are only 50.  A 7.5 copy of #5 sold 5/22/18 on Clink for $735 but CGC points are only 84 for that grade. 

Crime books.  I'm noticing quite an uptick in the genre generally, though I only follow the Avon lines closely.  I think they're misvalued by CGC much as PCH was 3 years ago.  Again, sales data is sparse, but I notice the following:  Parole Breakers #1 5.0 sold for $157 this past March on Clink (CGC points = 65), #2 8.5 sold for $675 on Clink 12/8/16 and would undoubtedly go for more now (CGC points = 268).  Famous Gangsters:  a #1 raw vg sold 2/2/14 for $105.16 (CGC points = 34), and an 8.0 copy sold 5/23/12 on Clink for $508 (CGC points = 206), but nothing more recent; a #3 sold on HA in 5.5 slight C-1 condition for $107.55 (CGC points = 9, as I read the chart).  Gangsters and Gun Molls: a raw F- #1 sold 2 years ago on HA for $239 (CGC points = 90); #2 4.0 sold for $191.20 on HA, and another 4.0 last year sold for $187 on Clink (CGC points = 39), and a raw vg- #2 sold 7 months ago on HA fo $131.45 (CGC points = 34); a raw VG+ #3 sold for $203.15 on HA 9 months ago (CGC points = 42), and a certified 7.0 sold a couple of months before that on HA for $334.60 (CGC points = 110); a raw VG+ #4 sold 8/21/16 on HA for $155.35 (CGC points = 32), and a 5.5 sold for $165 1/27/17 on Clink (CGC points = 48).  Murderous Gangsters: #1 raw vg sold on HA earlier this year for $382 (CGC points = 58), and a 5.0 sold on Clink last year for $475 (CGC points = 83); I think you've got the points about right on #2 but it's not worth 8X what the #1 is worth yet you award it 8 times as many points.  Police Lineup:  I couldn't find many recent sales but I see that an 8.0 copy of #3 sold on Clink for $275 on 12/8/16, a bargain price today I am sure, yet the CGC points for 8.0 are only 111.  Even the reprint series, All-True Detective Cases, deserves a bump:  a 6.5 copy of #4 sold on Clink last year for $120 (CGC points = 34).

L.B. Cole books.  I think you should look around at how you are awarding points for books with cover art by L.B. Cole.  Examples:  All-Famous Police Cases #9, a 5.5 copy sold on HA 5/13/18 for $262.90, CGC points are only 42.  Horrors 13.  A 6.5 copy sold on Clink for $201 less than 2 years ago, CGC points are only 79.  Terrors of the Jungle values are off by 4-7X for many or most of the books:   #19 had a 6.5 copy sell on HA last month for $552, CGC points are only 96; a 7.0 copy of #4 sold two months ago on HA for $1,195, CGC points are only 150; for #8 a 4.0 copy sold last month for $240 (CGC points only 50), and a 5.5 copy last year on HA for $304.73 (CGC points only 73); a 6.5 copy of #10 sold two months ago for $310.70 on HA, but CGC points are only 107.  Shocking Mystery Cases #60, the most common of the series, had a 6.0 copy sell 3 months ago on HA for $143.40 (CGC points = 45) and a 9.0 copy sell on HA less than 3 years ago for $776.75 (CGC points = 335).

Romance books.  Again, I follow the Avon lines and not the humor/GGA types like Hedy or Nellie or the like.  Look at Realistic Romances:  a raw F copy of #1 sold 3 years ago on HA for $286.80 (CGC points = 61); a 7.5 copy of #2 sold on Clink 4/28/17 for $277 (CGC points = 63); a 6.0 copy of #3 sold on Clink 3 months ago for $176 (CGC points ??, chart isn't complete); a 7.5 copy of #4 sold on Clink 4/28/17 for $340 (CGC points = 53); a 9.0 copy of #6 sold for $475 on Clink 6/1/17 (CGC points = 220).  Romantic Love; an 8.5 copy of #2 sold for $706 on Clink 6/1/17 (CGC points = 218); a 4.5 copy of #4 sold on HA 4/1/18 for $358.50 (CGC points = 26); a 4.5 copy of #9 sold of $143.40 on Clink 9/3/17 (CGC points = 27); and a 5.0 copy of #10 sold for $126 on Clink 1/26/18 (CGC points =34).  Intimate Confessions; most sales are of the classic #1 with the come hither type cover, which definitely needs the points upped along with the others in the series - a 5.0 copy of #1 went for $717 a little less than two years ago on HA (CGC points = 160), and two raw copies both graded G have sold recently on HA for $120 and $143 (CGC points = 48); a raw F- #4 sold 9/10/17 for $104 (CGC points = 40); two 8.0 copies of #7 sold in 2016 on Clink for $375 and $414 (CGC points = 140). 

Space Detective.  There are some pending auctions that may tell you more when completed but I wonder about #1.  There was a 6.0 copy sold three months ago in a Heritage auction for $956, CGC points are only 213.

 

I appreciate you patience in reading this and hope it will help with your ongoing maintenance of the registry.

 

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@keever

no offense mate, but your posts make anyone's head hurt. Keep your requests small and simple. Easy does it, one step at a time. 2c

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Thanks and none taken, good advice I suspect and worth more than a tuppence.  I just wanted to give Mollie one or two posts rather than dozens, but I'll make future posts here more bite-sized and chewable, perhaps limited to three suggestions at most, such as these 3 PCH books:

Haunted Thrills 16, raw F sold 1/1/17 on HA for $227.05, CGC points are only 75.

Strange Mysteries 6, 6.0 copy sold for $386  6/22/18 on Clink, CGC points are only 75.

Strange Mysteries 7, 6.0 copy sold for $400 1/26/18 on Clink, CGC points are only 75.

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20 minutes ago, keever said:

Thanks and none taken, good advice I suspect and worth more than a tuppence.  I just wanted to give Mollie one or two posts rather than dozens, but I'll make future posts here more bite-sized and chewable, perhaps limited to three suggestions at most, such as these 3 PCH books:

Haunted Thrills 16, raw F sold 1/1/17 on HA for $227.05, CGC points are only 75.

Strange Mysteries 6, 6.0 copy sold for $386  6/22/18 on Clink, CGC points are only 75.

Strange Mysteries 7, 6.0 copy sold for $400 1/26/18 on Clink, CGC points are only 75. 

Posts like this will definitely work in your favor and preserve Mollie's sanity at the same time. (thumbsu

Once you observe a point review move on to the next batch. Easy does it.

We should consider ourselves privileged over all those that use the registry but are unaware of this thread/forum. We get to be heard first.

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I just found out that a 4.0 Mister Mystery 18 sold for $2600 on April 18 2018 ( 0954828005 ). I own a 5.5 and the score is 191 points. Could you please look into this. Many thanks!

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Hi Mollie

The scores for Vengeance of Vampirella #1 Royal Blue Edition should be significantly increased in value.  It's commonly opined that there are 100 or less in existence and they seldom, if ever, come up for auction/sale.  

A 9.8 Universal has a score of 24 and a 9.0 (which I own) has a value of 3. I believe I paid $2,500 for my 9.0 a few years ago and, surprisingly, there is currently a raw 8.0 on eBay for $3,400.00.

Thanks - Mike    

 

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On 7/7/2018 at 11:24 AM, Gotham Kid said:

Hi Mollie,

I've come to plead the case for adjustments to registry points allocated to Detective 34.

For that I gathered data points of all public sales for 2018 (Jan - Aug) across several venues. Some have likely reported their sales to GPA, others haven't. We are talking about a book from 1939 so not that many sales to report :wink:

They are as follows:

  • (2018) Tec 34 5.5 $7300* eBay -> registry points for a 5.5 (4140)
  • (2018) Tec 34 5.0 $6100* Comiclink -> registry points for a 5.0 (3450)
  • (2018) Tec 34 2.5 $2900* Hakes -> registry points for a 2.5 (1380)
  • (2018) Tec 34 7.0 (R) EP $1900* Heritage -> registry points for a 7.0 EP (1087)

*rounded values

There is a noticeable upward swing from sales results of 2017.

There are no 34s in the next round of auctions of the BIG 3 ( Heritage, ComicConnect and ComicLink ) so I don't expect many more data points until the end of the year. As there are a Total of only 70 copies (42 Universal + 28Restored) on the census, it is only natural they don't come up all that often.

I think a 2.0-2.5 multiplier should correctly adjust most registry points across Universal and Restored grades for Detective 34 to today's FMVs.

Thanks for your consideration and have a nice day.

- Peter

A 2.0 sold at auction on ebay tonight for $2758. Registry points for a 2.0 (1035)

My 2.5 point multiplier suggestion right on the money :wink:

Edited by Gotham Kid

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Hey Mollie?

When you get a chance, please take a gander at the Gold Key Scooby Doo sets points -

Particulaly #1. Multiplying the current numbers by 7-9 is quite justifiable, Imho at least, for enough components for the algorithms. 

Thank-you

 

Edited by Icculus308win

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Please ignore if you've addressed my 7/14/18 post re:  Avon one-shots.  Mollie, here's another book that just sold for more than 8 times its point value:  Space Thrillers nn CGC 5.0 sold for $1560 on Heritage yesterday, current point value is only 188.  It is indeed a scarce Avon one-shot and this pricing was not an aberration.  Continued thanks for all you do trying to keep up.

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