RockMyAmadeus Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said: PCGS thought it could do so,also. Fail...... There are a lot of people who complain about people "trying to pass their opinion off as fact" and "so and so thinks they're always right!", but who then make blanket statements themselves like "CGC could put them out of business overnight!", without a stitch of understanding as to why that's probably not true, and how the far, far more powerful and wealthy PCGS and NGC tried to do that with CAC... ...and failed. The question is still open. It may work. It may not. But history tells us it has before, and whither coins go, comics have followed so far. Edited August 28, 2018 by RockMyAmadeus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: ...can you point out the differences in these coins? No. Know why? I don't collect coins, I spend them. I don't try to grade coins, they sit in my pocket until I spend them. If the coin community likes their added stickers, good for them. I'm not qualified to comment on that hobby, and will make no attempt to do so. I will, however, maintain my position that CVA's existence serves absolutely no purpose. Logan510 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 hours ago, jason4 said: Wait so what happens if you give them a “weak” 9.8? You get a turd sticker on your slab? You just wasted your money and you can just take it off and no one would ever know. What’s the point? I don’t get it. Yes, there IS the problem of an overgraded book. Thus far, no one has bothered to address that particular elephant in the room, nor will they. "Turd sticker".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, mattn792 said: No. Know why? I don't collect coins, I spend them. I don't try to grade coins, they sit in my pocket until I spend them. If the coin community likes their added stickers, good for them. I'm not qualified to comment on that hobby, and will make no attempt to do so. I will, however, maintain my position that CVA's existence serves absolutely no purpose. Thus endeth the attempted Lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoWitHurts Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: CGC would not exist if it wasn't for numismatics. True story. You don't know that. Logan510 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan510 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 55 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said: PCGS thought it could do so,also. Fail...... Comics aren’t coins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan510 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 55 minutes ago, mattn792 said: No doubt, but could you imagine the chaos that would ensue? "This isn't a 9.8 weak!!!" "Why isn't my 9.6 strong a 9.8?!?" "This 9.8 extra strong should be a 9.9!!!" "Secrets and Lies!!!!!!" The level of whining at your average con would go through the stratosphere. That’s why some people are pushing for 9.5 and 9.7... anything to squeeze a little more coin out of their customers I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, WoWitHurts said: 31 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: CGC would not exist if it wasn't for numismatics. True story. You don't know that. I take it you're unfamiliar with who owns CGC, then, and how it got its start...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Logan510 said: 1 hour ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said: PCGS thought it could do so,also. Fail...... Comics aren’t coins Is it ironic that that statement is followed by a symbol for a coin......? " " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoWitHurts Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: I take it you're unfamiliar with who owns CGC, then, and how it got its start...? I am familiar with who started it. You cannot state as fact something which is unprovable. Logan510 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 27 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said: Thus endeth the attempted Lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, WoWitHurts said: You don't know that. Actually, we do. It is history. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Logan510 said: Comics aren’t coins Economics is economics. Human nature to seek assurance is the same. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoWitHurts Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said: Actually, we do. It is history. um no. History is numismatics exist. To say that no one would have created CGC without numismatics is unknowable. Logan510 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, WoWitHurts said: 4 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: I take it you're unfamiliar with who owns CGC, then, and how it got its start...? I am familiar with who started it. You cannot state as fact something which is unprovable. True. You cannot state as fact something which is unprovable. Of course, my statement is perfectly provable. Let's give a short history lesson: In the early 80s, the explosion of value in coins required a much more rigorous coin grading system. The Professional Coin Grading Service..."PCGS"...was created by David Hall and others in 1986. In response, NGC was founded by John Albanese in 1987, to great success. The company which eventually became the Certified Collectibles Group began with that very same NGC, and was created in 1999 as an umbrella corp with the addition of CGC. CGC could not have existed without NGC. NGC came first. It was NGC that provided the support for CGC to exist, when it was unclear if the venture could work. Therefore...CGC would not exist without numismatics. Mr.Mcknowitall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, WoWitHurts said: um no. History is numismatics exist. To say that no one would have created CGC without numismatics is unknowable. OK. I don't know what "History is numismatics exist" is referring to, but no problem. You win, though. The "um" won me to your logic posit as the correct conclusion. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, WoWitHurts said: 15 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said: Actually, we do. It is history. um no. History is numismatics exist. To say that no one would have created CGC without numismatics is unknowable. Nobody said anything like that. CGC would not exist without numismatics. Whether something LIKE CGC could have existed without numismatics is unknowable. But the answer is almost certainly "no." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Back to the topic...here's an article by NGC founder John Albanese regarding his creation of CAC...the precursor and inspiration for CVA: https://www.caccoin.com/cac-in-the-news/an-interview-with-john-albanese-by-maurice-rosen/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, StandUpAndBeCounted said: Yeah, that's why we can't allow this to happen, we have to put a stop to it wherever it rears it's ugly head. Coinees go home! Coinees out of Comics! I hope this isn't Stu....it may be a long couple of days........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 51 minutes ago, mattn792 said: 1 hour ago, RockMyAmadeus said: ...can you point out the differences in these coins? No Correct. And yet...they exist, apparently, because that's how NGC graded them. No one requires you to care about coins. The discussion isn't about coins. It's about a concept, which is universal, which McKnowitall already stated: 22 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said: Human nature to seek assurance is the same. Thus endeth the lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
