Spyder! Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Ok, so it's totally possible I was asleep and missed some changes in CGC grading rules, but this ASM #1 on eBay has me puzzled: https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-1-CGC-2-0-1963-1ST-J-JAMESON-1ST-FANTASTIC-FOUR-CROSSOVER/153062457232?hash=item23a33bbf90:g:nksAAOSw9ENZl-Eg:sc:USPSPriority!75028!US!-1 It's a blue label with tape on the spine. There is no note on the CGC label about the tape, and on the top of the label it reads "Cover trimmed." Since when did CGC stop noting the presence of tape and since when is it not a purple label for trimmed covers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Spyder! said: Ok, so it's totally possible I was asleep and missed some changes in CGC grading rules, but this ASM #1 on eBay has me puzzled: https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-1-CGC-2-0-1963-1ST-J-JAMESON-1ST-FANTASTIC-FOUR-CROSSOVER/153062457232?hash=item23a33bbf90:g:nksAAOSw9ENZl-Eg:sc:USPSPriority!75028!US!-1 It's a blue label with tape on the spine. There is no note on the CGC label about the tape, and on the top of the label it reads "Cover trimmed." Since when did CGC stop noting the presence of tape and since when is it not a purple label for trimmed covers? Edited June 15, 2018 by The Lions Den Edited response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyder! Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 6 hours ago, The Lions Den said: So I was sleeping I guess? When did this change? Seems like a huge thing to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJD Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Clearly a quality control error, either on the label, or on the grading (looks trimmed to me) or both. Spyder! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Spyder! said: So I was sleeping I guess? When did this change? Seems like a huge thing to change. I meant that someone else may have been sleeping, my friend... Spyder! and Not A Clone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyder! Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 Ok, that makes more sense. I didn’t think they had changed their definition of restoration. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I'm reasonably certain the general consensus in the CGC grading room would be this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not A Clone Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Luckily the seller actually disclosed this information. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finhead Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) It's odd there are others out there with the same Blue labels with the trimmed notation. Looking up prices I ran across a few. https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx?cgc-comic-cert=1249550004&grader-notes=yes https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx?cgc-comic-cert=0000014001&grader-notes=yes https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx?cgc-comic-cert=0239241005&grader-notes=yes Edited June 17, 2018 by Finhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 9 hours ago, Finhead said: It's odd there are others out there with the same Blue labels with the trimmed notation. Looking up prices I ran across a few. https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx?cgc-comic-cert=1249550004&grader-notes=yes https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx?cgc-comic-cert=0000014001&grader-notes=yes https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx?cgc-comic-cert=0239241005&grader-notes=yes Maybe it would be prudent for someone that routinely calls and talks to the CGC personnel to ask if trimming is no longer considered restoration? Technically, it isn't restoration, since the cutting away of part of it is not "restoring ithe whole". Most do share my belief that trimming is not restoration. It's actually contrary to the meaning of the word. So is it possible that this is the new shape of things to come? And trimming doesn't fall into the "restored" category with the other books categorized as restored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faster friends Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I can see that. Where they would just downgrade for the trimming and leave it a blue label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyder! Posted June 18, 2018 Author Share Posted June 18, 2018 On 6/17/2018 at 10:30 AM, Finhead said: It's odd there are others out there with the same Blue labels with the trimmed notation. Looking up prices I ran across a few. https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx?cgc-comic-cert=1249550004&grader-notes=yes https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx?cgc-comic-cert=0000014001&grader-notes=yes https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/verify-cgc-comic.aspx?cgc-comic-cert=0239241005&grader-notes=yes Hmmm...some of these were graded 3 and 4 years ago? I'm pretty sure books have been getting purple labels for trimmed since then too. I don't understand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjpb Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I had this blue label trimmed pass through my hands. When I sold it on ebay I mentioned the trimming in the title and gave this caveat: "CGC QC must have returned from a liquid lunch or something before checking this one through." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyder! Posted June 18, 2018 Author Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 hour ago, rjpb said: "CGC QC must have returned from a liquid lunch or something before checking this one through." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbone911t Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 And the "Trimmed Cover" is on the top label? Not even on the front? This is not a good change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, faster friends said: I can see that. Where they would just downgrade for the trimming and leave it a blue label. For lack of having the exact answer from the CGC, I would think this would make perfect sense. Trimming isn't restoration. It's butchery. It's in the same class of defect as if a rodent chewed off the edge of a book. It is deliberate. It's a deliberate attempt to improve the appearance by cutting away defects rather than restoring them, so in that respect, it is anti-restoration. The opposite of restoration. So technically, a trimmed book is not restored. It's had sections cut away much like if someone clipped a coupon out of a back cover or made paper dolls out of it with a scissors. But most trimmed books do have other things done to them that do fall under the classification of restoration. Usually, when you look at a purple label, and the word trimmed appears on it, that word is mentioned separately and apart from other restoration language, like colortouch, tear sealed, cleaned, etc., etc. which are all most definitely restoration methods. It seems to me that if a book is only trimmed, which is not restoration, unless there are restoration procedures also performed on the book, colortouch, glue, etc., it's subject to getting a blue label because it has, indeed, not been restored, thus the purple label not appropriate. I hope someone from the CGC may weigh in on if I'm on or off-base here. To recap: Only trimmed = unrestored (Blue label) Trimmed + restoration procedures (i.e. colortouch, etc.) = restored (Purple label) Edited June 18, 2018 by James J Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W16227 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 QC error - https://www.cgccomics.com/pdf/restoration-grading-scale-handout.pdf Look at the restoration grading scale - trimming of any kind is a C ( poor) category for resto. This book is likely not trimmed given the location of the text ( on the top label???? ) --- very strange for sure..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
