Mr. Lady Luck Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Zolnerowich said: But if CGC is still using their inventory of flawed holders, then it makes no sense to ask them to re-holder the books. They'll be as Newton'd as before. Maybe that's why CGC has no rational response for their customers right now. Perhaps. But the problem may have to due with the encapsulation process rather than the materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrocomics Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 CGC obviously leaves their slabs under the employee cars letting oil drip on it. When it rains it's time to harvest them and slab them letting the wonderful rainbow colors work thier magic. wikked and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Though we saw Newton Rings on the previous generation slab, it was not to the extent we are currently seeing. The Newton Rings appear when the inner well is pressed against the case. With the Previous generation slab, you could slide something (I used an envelope) into the slab, wiggle it around to cause separation, and they would disappear. Worked everytime. The new slabs are very tight and you cannot slide anything in there = the trick no longer works. IMO, it's not the fault of the materials but the fact that the slabs are so snug. I think it is worse on thicker books, especially GA. I hardly see it on my SA purchases. Regarding CGC QC, I think the books sometimes leave the facility fine but develop the Newton Rings in transit. I bought a book that had no Newton Rings in the pictures but after a very tight, bullet proof shipment, it developed Newton Rings. I left it free standing, no pressure, in a climate controlled environment and, for the most part, the rings went away. I've also noticed that by storing the book on it's side, loosely fit into a storage box, the problem lessens. Store the books upright, tightly fit in a storage box and the rings stay. Spaceguy, Sqeggs and Badger 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumble Kitty Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 15 hours ago, Get Marwood & I said: Does it spoil your enjoyment of the books? No. The books are very nice, plus I was kind of expecting to see the Newton rings (because of this thread). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumble Kitty Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Mr. Lady Luck said: That's not good Are you going to let CGC know about this? Everyone should bring this to their attention. Yes. I will bring a few of the books and show it to them at San Diego. Very curious to what they say. Sqeggs and szav 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 20 hours ago, Bumble Kitty said: I received a batch of books...with Newton rings. I didn't pay for the "rings", so I guess they were thrown in for free. Here are the worst three books: Bummer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGrover Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Has CGC made any kind of official statement regarding their position on "Newton Rings"? I find myself very nervous about sending in my batch of books... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just received my answer from CGC: "There are Newton Rings present in all of our encapsulated books, these are considered normal and acceptable. Reholder service is available, however there is no guarantee that reholdering will eliminate or diminish the presence of Newton Rings." I don't know what I find more disturbing, the admission that all CGC slabs have Newton Rings or the fact they consider them normal and acceptable. Acceptable to the company perhaps, but certainly not to their customers. Spaceguy, SuperGrover and rjpb 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Five Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, Black_Adam said: Just received my answer from CGC: "There are Newton Rings present in all of our encapsulated books, these are considered normal and acceptable. Reholder service is available, however there is no guarantee that reholdering will eliminate or diminish the presence of Newton Rings." I don't know what I find more disturbing, the admission that all CGC slabs have Newton Rings or the fact they consider them normal and acceptable. Acceptable to the company perhaps, but certainly not to their customers. That’s really discouraging. Were you asking about the rings in general, or were you bringing some of these poor recent examples to their attention? 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fett Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Sounds like they are ok with their customers books being visually unappealing as long as people keep paying for the crappy product. Many years ago I was having some windows on my truck tinted and the guy kept screwing it up, leaving noticeable bubbles, and tried to give me almost the same excuse. He wasn’t in business very much longer as he had other competitors. Edited July 18, 2018 by fett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Point Five said: That’s really discouraging. Were you asking about the rings in general, or were you bringing some of these poor recent examples to their attention? It was a specific request re: my own ASM 50. An image was attached to the e-mail. This is what they consider "normal and acceptable": Sqeggs and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) From the website: "CGC is careful to make certain that the comics it certifies are not only accurately graded, but attractively presented as well." Who considers a sea of newton rings across the face of a comic attractive? Edited July 18, 2018 by Black_Adam Spaceguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Five Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Black_Adam said: It was a specific request re: my own ASM 50. An image was attached to the e-mail. This is what they consider "normal and acceptable": Oh my. 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Point Five said: Oh my. It's doubly frustrating for me because, while every one of my slabs invariably ends up in a longbox, this is the one comic I had signed and graded with the specific intent of being able to display it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicdonna Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 CGC did reach out to me about this yesterday, but I haven't yet connected with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Sqeggs said: CGC did reach out to me about this yesterday, but I haven't yet connected with them. I'm hopeful you will get a better response than I did. I know a name like mine barely makes a ripple in the CGC pond but I think they'll take notice when the big fish start circling! Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorick Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I bought a slabbed Adam Hughes cover which had rings (when they first introduced the newest slabs), and CGC reslabbed for me at no expense to myself. That was when the problem first became evident. It's just a hassle that I want to avoid dealing with, and I don't really like CGC having to pay for all these resubs when it seems to be a manufacturing problem. CGC should be refunded by the slab manufacturer (or whomever designed these new cases). However, it does reflect poorly on CGC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) Freshly graded (June) Xmen 1 9.4 listed on Metro. Horrible. Edited July 20, 2018 by Gotham Kid Sqeggs, Point Five, Black_Adam and 9 others 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicjack Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said: Freshly graded (June) Xmen 1 9.4 listed on Metro. Horrible. How it presents is everything and someone let that book slide is comicdonna, Spaceguy and gino2paulus2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
