EBay user fen_vivia. Aka kenneth Cheung from San Fran Ca 2 2

[Spideyham]

Hey everyone.  I recently got out of the hospital and started selling to pay off medical bills.  I sold an Eternals 1 on May 1st, the buyer filed a paypal claim for item not as described on July 15th, paypal refunded him, he sent the book to my old address and got the book back.  He now has my book and refund.  PayPal won't do anything about it and he won't return any of,my emails.  I am asking for everyones help in bombarding this fraudster and exposing him so that he doesnt do this to anyone else.  Thank you 

Edited July 24, 2018 by hobbyguy
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[Spideyham]

Wow, I thought this community would help.  Looks like I'm wrong.  Thanks anyway

[aszumilo]

What exactly do you want everyone to do?  Have you contacted E-Bay since PayPal won't help?

[DeadOne]

So he bought an Eternals #1 from you on May 1st and then sold an Eternals #1 and #2 together on May 12th.

I'm assuming you were in the hospital when this return procedure took place. Did PayPal even listen to your side of the story, or were they more like what's done is done? Contacting eBay directly may help if the book was redirected back to the buyer after the first return. Perhaps eBay could ask the buyer to attempt the return again.

It is odd that the buyer took 2 months to file a claim.

Edited July 25, 2018 by DeadOne
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[01TheDude]

Shame on us for not jumping up and immediately solving your problem for you.

We are truly a bunch of bastards.

 

[DeadOne]

52 minutes ago, hobbyguy said:

Wow, I thought this community would help.  Looks like I'm wrong.  Thanks anyway

It probably would have gotten more attention in the ebay forum

[01TheDude]

7 minutes ago, DeadOne said:

It probably would have gotten more attention in the ebay forum

or even in one of the 50 some odd threads about ebay on this forum.

[FN-2199]

Not keeping your return address updated is like not keeping your life insurance beneficiary updated. Your ex-wife could end up with it. 

Lesson learned for all sellers:  check your return address in eBay AND PayPal. I know my eBay return address does not default to my seller's retun address I print on the labels but rather my residence while PayPal does return to my shipping label return address.

[ExNihilo]

This might get more responses from the EBAY Blocked User List

Even then, based on what I've read, eBay has really strong protections for buyers so I'm not sure what help or assistance the board can provide that might help you get your money or book back.

 

[mattn792]

20 hours ago, hobbyguy said:

Wow, I thought this community would help.  Looks like I'm wrong.  Thanks anyway

Your request is rather confusing since...

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 2:16 PM, hobbyguy said:

Hey everyone.  I recently got out of the hospital and started selling to pay off medical bills.  I sold an Eternals 1 on May 1st, the buyer filed a paypal claim for item not as described on July 15th, paypal refunded him, he sent the book to my old address and got the book back.  He now has my book and refund.  PayPal won't do anything about it and he won't return any of,my emails.  I am asking for everyones help in bombarding this fraudster and exposing him so that he doesnt do this to anyone else.  Thank you 

1. Keeping your address up to date is your responsibility.

2. "Bombarding" meaning what exactly?  Are we supposed to write angry letters on your behalf?  Buy his eBay merch and initiate fake returns (which is a crime, with conspiracy thrown on top since "everyone" was requested to join in)? 

[Spideyham]

1 hour ago, mattn792 said:

Your request is rather confusing since...

1. Keeping your address up to date is your responsibility.

2. "Bombarding" meaning what exactly?  Are we supposed to write angry letters on your behalf?  Buy his eBay merch and initiate fake returns (which is a crime, with conspiracy thrown on top since "everyone" was requested to join in)? 

I hope you get scammed by this insufficiently_thoughtful_person. I never asked ANYONE to initiate fake returns, that's all on you.  I posted this thread to raise awareness of this scammer.  I've seen other board members who have come across scammers help the victim of the scam in other threads by sending the scammers messages why he did this.  I was hoping that boardies would scare him into changing his ways. And you think the scammer keeping my book and the refund is not a crime? Makes me wonder if you agree with his tactics.  That's all I wanted. 

Edited July 26, 2018 by hobbyguy
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[Dick Pontoon]

But what if he genuinely felt the item was not as described? He returned it as he was supposed to using the address you supplied. If your correspondence with him was anything like your posts in this thread I’m not surprised he hasn’t returned your messages.

[BlowUpTheMoon]

Oops!

Edited July 26, 2018 by BlowUpTheMoon

[Spideyham]

So you think him keeping the book and the refund is ethical and lawful?  The right thing to do was to resend the book back to me, but he knows the system and is trying to get away with keeping the book and my money

Edited July 26, 2018 by hobbyguy

[BlowUpTheMoon]

9 minutes ago, hobbyguy said:

The right thing to do was to resend the book back to me,

Does he have the correct address?

[Spideyham]

I emailed it to him, PayPal sent him a courtesy letter for him to resend.  But he doesn't respond.  He actually reported my email to eBay as harassment for requesting him to send the book back.  Total scammer and knows how to work the system

[DeadOne]

Was this a graded copy? Any chance you could link to the sale or give your eBay handle and let us search it out for ourselves?

[revat]

Here's the thing.  When you're tying to convince people to take a side, ACTIVELY TAKE A SIDE, not only do the facts matter, but also how they are presented (completely? emotionally? logically?).  You're asking people to come to a specific conclusion, and that specific action is warranted, you need to lead people to that conclusion, not shove it in their faces. 

I'm not saying you weren't wronged, or that you have no right are reason to be emotional, but its no one else's job to infer things or make the argument for you.  But at the same time, you are asking strangers to believe you, without going through the effort of presenting proof, without filling in obvious details (not that you're hiding them, but you should make the story as easy as possible to follow), and asking those same strangers to harass ANOTHER stranger, while it sounds like A) you gave him the wrong address initially, and B) you haven't contacted ebay about it.  With apologies to you regarding your medical situation, you sound entitled.  Internet strangers don't owe you anything, and maybe that wasn't your intent, but that's how it keeps coming across.

1. From what I've read, the buyer did in good faith at least attempt to return the book to you originally, even if it was somewhat late (admittedly uncommon, but when you agree to sell on ebay, you get what you get). 

2.  As stated previously, I'm not sure why you didn't ask ebay first, and message him through ebay.  That would have made it harder to use ebay against you.

3.  Also, I'm not sure why you emailed him your address as opposed to changing both your ebay and paypal addresses (maybe you did that too? If so you should have mentioned it).  In the event of a return, he likely would purchase the label through ebay for his protection. 

4.  Honestly, its a hassle to return something.  If I got something back AFTER RETURNING because the address was funky, I'd be mad.  Did you offer him to pay for shipping again?  (if so, why not mention it here?)

5.  Think of it this way.  If you bought something from an online retailer, wanted to return it, packed it, shipped it, and they sent it back to you, how happy would you be about it? How do you know the next address is good? 

6.  What happened to you sucks, but it doesn't sound like he was out to get you from the start (or you haven't really convinced me of it), and use of inflammatory language like 'scam' and 'fraudster' seem a bit hyperbolic when from your interactions here it seems like the buyer's a lazy bum tired of dealing with you.  But again, that's just the impression here, you could have posted more about the transaction but chose not to.

 

I'm not sure how you feel about it, maybe like we're asking too much, or that your being re-victimized, or just that you expected more sympathy, but YOU ARE THE ONE who asked for ACTUAL ACTION against a stranger, the BURDEN IS ON YOU to prove the case for that.  The burden isn't on OTHER PEOPLE to TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO MAKE YOUR CASE.  You didn't come in saying 'hey watch out for this sketchy ebay dude, maybe you should block him'.  You came in, tossed a REAL NAME and CITY, and asked internet strangers to 'bombard' that guy on ebay, which for many of us EBay actually impacts our actual real life income.  Do you honestly think you proved your case?  Would you attack a stranger based on the case presented by another stranger?  Do you think the emotion and defensiveness of your posts helps or hurts your case.  You didn't come in asking for commiseration or sympathy, you didn't even ask for suggestions, you asked strangers to harass a stranger based on the word of a stranger. 

[cbalroman]

35 minutes ago, hobbyguy said:

I emailed it to him, PayPal sent him a courtesy letter for him to resend.  But he doesn't respond.  He actually reported my email to eBay as harassment for requesting him to send the book back.  Total scammer and knows how to work the system

Maybe he's in the hospital and doesn't have access to his email?

 

You are calling this person a scammer as if he know that the return address was incorrect and decided, "hey I know what I'll do...I'll put in a claim to get my money back, send the book back to the old address only to have the book returned to me so I can keep it"  

[Spideyham]

3 minutes ago, cbalroman said:

Maybe he's in the hospital and doesn't have access to his email?

 

You are calling this person a scammer as if he know that the return address was incorrect and decided, "hey I know what I'll do...I'll put in a claim to get my money back, send the book back to the old address only to have the book returned to me so I can keep it"  

These are the facts:

Fen_vivia purchased a Raw ETERNALS #1 from us on May 1st

On July 15th he filed a not as described claim with PayPal because he sent the book to CGC and it supposedly had a popped  staple.

He reqested a 80.00 refund and for him to keep the book.

I said no thank you, just return the book for a full refund.

He got upset because he would lose out on CGC grading fees

I advanced the dispute to a claim with PayPal so that I could get my book back and to get the hold off my paypal account.  

He sent the book to our p.o. box which we closed out last month but paypal still had that address in their system.

The book was returned  back to him.

I emailed him asking him to resend it back to us with the correct address on both the paypal and eBay site

PayPal refunds him in full

He doesnt respond to 3 emails requesting that he return the book back to us and I would pay for the return shipping

I appealed the case with PayPal.

PayPal states that since he sent the book we lose the appeal

PayPal agrees to send him a letter asking him to resend the book to our correct address.

He doesnt respond

I send him another request through eBay which he doesnt respond to, eBay sends us an email stating the the buyer complained about us harassing him.

I file and IC3 federal fraud claim and contact the Hayward CA DA office reporting the mail fraud incident

I was advised to file a civil action fraud lawsuit which I will next week

I warned the CGC community about this scammer

These are the facts.