Does anybody reccomend desert wind comics as a good cgc facilitator? 1 1

[Pirate]

Just now, D Stuart said:

From what I see on Facebook, they've got JRSR on lock down.  I would love to get some JRSR signatures, but am hesitant to go through DWC.

New York Comics does signings with SR, might want to look their page up.  They don't post here very often anymore.

[noelbeast]

I know this is an older thread, but I'd like to weigh in:

I've been collecting X-Men omnibuses and collected editions for the last 5 years or so.  About a year ago the signature bug bit hard, and eventually I decided that I had to have something signed by John Romita Sr.  That went from buying a random book being signed by him that I found on Ebay (a DF copy of UXM #500) to Wolverine related materials since he's my favorite character.  Eventually I decided to seek out Romita Sr.'s signature on two books, raw, no certification: Astonishing X-Men #25 variant edition and Wolverine Origins #28, which I had a copy already signed by Deodato, Thomas, and Trimpe.  I didn't know where to start, but a google search led me to DW/Celestial Comics and an upcoming Romita Sr. signing.  I submitted the books to them pretty quickly to meet their submission deadline, waited a couple of months without any kind of communication, and started getting nervous.  It was only then that I googled reviews for DW/Celestial Comics and broke into a sweat: not the most popular with folks on forums like this.

After 3 months, I started contacting the company and eventually spoke with someone.  They did a search and found my books signed, and explained about how their priority is CGC graded comics; my comics were technically ready to return to me, but if I wanted them sooner, I was advised to do exactly what I did: contact (not badger) until they get sent.  I stayed as polite as possible, used a lot of pleases and thank yous, and my books were returned to me in a few weeks with no incidents.

A few weeks after this, I finally got my act together and went for something much bigger.  I had a CGC 9.4 sketch cover of Wolverine #300 with a signed sketch of Wolverine by Trimpe and also signed by Wein.  This past April I submitted the comic, plus a cover reprint of The Incredible Hulk #181 also already signed by Trimpe and Wein, both to be signed by Romita Sr. and Thomas (the cover reprint would remain raw).  I paid a little extra for the CGC comic to be fast-tracked and it got back sometime mid June as a 9.6 and absolutely beautiful.  The Hulk cover reprint: again I had to contact DW/Celestial and ask them for an update.  I reached out to them after July 4th and the cover just showed up today.

Long story short: I know people have posted negative stories about dealing with DW/Celestial Comics.  I've had two positive experiences with them so far.  Sure, I've had to call both times to get 3 of 4 items back sooner, but it really wasn't that much extra work for me, and I don't mind having a humane conversation to (hopefully) get things moving.  Take it for what it is.

Edited July 16, 2019 by noelbeast
Clarification; called company CGC by mistake

[RockMyAmadeus]

Even broken clocks are right twice a day. Desert Winds has behaved unethically, to say the absolute least, and has no business being in the comics business. That they get some things right doesn't ever change that.

But, you know...addicts and all.

[RockMyAmadeus]

On 7/27/2018 at 8:01 AM, Pirate said:

I have some opinions, but momma said.

Don't give up...it's a little complicated...

[noelbeast]

2 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Even broken clocks are right twice a day. Desert Winds has behaved unethically, to say the absolute least, and has no business being in the comics business. That they get some things right doesn't ever change that.

But, you know...addicts and all.

Hey, not saying they're perfect.  When I found reviews on them after I submitted my first two comics, I felt like such an insufficiently_thoughtful_person for not checking them out beforehand, but I was and still am relatively new to the whole submission/certification process.

Also, back while I was sweating it out and waiting for my first books to come back, possibly to try to convince myself that everything would be ok, I did start to wonder how many of the poor reviews are from several years ago/how many of the negatives stories are anecdotal?  I think it's worth considering if someone is weighing whether or not to use DW/Celestial Comics.

Someone posted earlier in this thread that you don't really see any positive stories about DW/Celestial, so I thought I'd add mine since I walked away this year with two positive experiences.  Ultimately, everyone makes their own decisions on who to go with if they don't want to or can't collect a signature in person. 

[RockMyAmadeus]

3 minutes ago, noelbeast said:

Hey, not saying they're perfect.  When I found reviews on them after I submitted my first two comics, I felt like such an insufficiently_thoughtful_person for not checking them out beforehand, but I was and still am relatively new to the whole submission/certification process.

Also, back while I was sweating it out and waiting for my first books to come back, possibly to try to convince myself that everything would be ok, I did start to wonder how many of the poor reviews are from several years ago/how many of the negatives stories are anecdotal?  I think it's worth considering if someone is weighing whether or not to use DW/Celestial Comics.

Someone posted earlier in this thread that you don't really see any positive stories about DW/Celestial, so I thought I'd add mine since I walked away this year with two positive experiences.  Ultimately, everyone makes their own decisions on who to go with if they don't want to or can't collect a signature in person. 

They're not only not perfect, they're unethical, unprofessional, and irresponsible...and that's just what I can prove. They have personally cost me several thousand dollars by their selfish actions. And I'm not alone.

All the stories and poor reviews are anecdotal, by definition. Anecdotal doesn't mean they didn't happen, or aren't accurate. Do you mean unfair, inaccurate, or overstated?

I'm glad you had positive experiences with them. Give it time.

[Buzzetta]

I do not hold this company in high opinion and while I am sure that someone from their company will see this, I am glad to say that I have successfully dissuaded a few friends of mine from using their 'services' based on the words of the these boards.   

[noelbeast]

16 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

They're not only not perfect, they're unethical, unprofessional, and irresponsible...and that's just what I can prove. They have personally cost me several thousand dollars by their selfish actions. And I'm not alone.

All the stories and poor reviews are anecdotal, by definition. Anecdotal doesn't mean they didn't happen, or aren't accurate. Do you mean unfair, inaccurate, or overstated?

I'm glad you had positive experiences with them. Give it time.

First of all, I'm sorry that you've lost thousands of dollars to them.  I simply wanted to share my positive experiences.  I don't know your specific stories, again my bad, but I feel like your sort of attacking me for wanting to give a personal account that maybe shows another side of things?  Fine then.  Ignore my quasi-"maybe DW/Celestial Comics isn't all bad"-experience. 

Also, why are we suddenly in the realm of semantics here?  No, I don't mean unfair or inaccurate, or overstated.  I mean anecdotal: "(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research."  I'm not trying to put anyone's negative experiences down here, especially yours.  Don't get triggered by this, but your story of them costing you several thousand dollars right here and now is anecdotal to me.  Like I said, I don't know your specific story and I have only your word at this moment to support what you say.  I choose to believe you, if it helps in any way, but I'm also a student of history and so me personally: I'm pretty reliant on facts.  Same reason why I posted all those pictures with my story above: my story is also anecdotal to others in some way or another, so I tried to supply as much fact then and there (the pictures) to support my claim.

Again, sorry to hear about your experiences.  I come in peace.  If I had known posting something like this that I was happy about would get someone riled up like this, I wouldn't have bothered.

[mattn792]

Here is a question @noelbeast — how do you not find it a little f’d up that you essentially had to badger them to send back your non-CGC items in a “timely” manner?  I’ve seen Celestial Wind in action, and at any major show they drop their CGC books off on-site.  For their private signings, they’d be completely incompetent if they didn’t show up with their shipping materials ready to go same day.

Bottom line - shipping raw books should easily be done within a couple days of the signing.  Saying that “CGC takes priority” as some kind of delay excuse is disingenuous at a minimum.

Edited July 16, 2019 by mattn792
They weren’t even f’ing timely. 3 months? FFS.

[noelbeast]

4 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

Here is a question @noelbeast — how do you not find it a little f’d up that you essentially had to badger them to send back your non-CGC items in a timely manner?  I’ve seen Celestial Wind in action, and at any major show they drop their CGC books off on-site.  For their private signings, they’d be completely incompetent if they didn’t show up with their shipping materials ready to go same day.

Bottom line - shipping raw books should easily be done within a couple days of the signing.  Saying that “CGC takes priority” as some kind of delay excuse is disingenuous at a minimum.

In the grand scheme of things, was it a little frustrating/unprofessional that I had to call them to move things along, when I'm paying them for my items?  Sure.  I wouldn't call it a little f'd up based on my experiences personally: I was new to paying someone to collect signatures for me, I didn't know the average turn-around time, and I didn't need my items instantly.  I also work in an industry that requires a lot of patience, and so I'm a very patient person and try to be understanding.  I included those details in the story of my experience so people can use that information as well to make a judgment call on whether or not to submit to them.  If you're not that type of person like me, no offense taken, don't use them.  But again, I got my books the way I wanted them, they were in as good of shape as they were when I sent them out, so I'm not going to over-scrutinize. 

Did not know that about them: never saw them in action.  If I ever have anything else I want to get signed and I can avoid them, of course I'd choose a company that has a better reputation. 

[Buzzetta]

This should be turned into a things I would not recommend Desert Wind for... 

• I would not recommend Desert Wind to find sand in a desert. 
• I would not recommend Desert Wind to butter bread 
• I would not recommend Desert Wind to spell 'wind' correctly. 

Carry on...

Edited July 16, 2019 by Buzzetta

[kav]

11 minutes ago, Buzzetta said:

This should be turned into a things I would not recommend Desert Wind for... 

• I would not recommend Desert Wind to find sand in a desert. 
• I would not recommend Desert Wind to butter bread 
• I would not recommend Desert Wind to spell 'wind' correctly. 

Carry on...

I also would not recommend them to eat it in a boat not with a goat-

[ExNihilo]

1 hour ago, noelbeast said:

Did not know that about them: never saw them in action.  If I ever have anything else I want to get signed and I can avoid them, of course I'd choose a company that has a better reputation. 

This is basically my conclusion that I arrived at with Desert Wind.  They were the first company I submitted books for and I had no idea what the process was.  I followed the advice on how to properly bag/board/label my submissions and am confident I didn't do anything out of line on my end.  Despite this, DW was confused, unorganized, lacked communication, and mis-billed me on several occasions (my submission had to be separated into 2 or 3 subs because they were unable to procure signatures on a timely basis).  But since this was my first go around, I had no idea if this was normal or not.  And much like you, I was sweating it as this was the first time my books had ever left my possession.

Here's the thing though...since then I've worked with other facilitators.  True professionals.  And the experiences I've had with these other facilitators is like night and day when compared against Desert Wind.  Sub a few more books with other facilitors and you'll see what I mean.

[RockMyAmadeus]

1 hour ago, noelbeast said:

First of all, I'm sorry that you've lost thousands of dollars to them.  I simply wanted to share my positive experiences.  I don't know your specific stories, again my bad, but I feel like your sort of attacking me for wanting to give a personal account that maybe shows another side of things?  Fine then.  Ignore my quasi-"maybe DW/Celestial Comics isn't all bad"-experience. 

No one is attacking you. Chandler Rice is a selfish, irresponsible, unethical man, who has caused a lot of people a lot of harm over many years.

Your anecdote...as nice as it is...and Mattn makes a good point...does not undo any of that.

Do you know who "Danny Dupcak" is...? Do you know who PGX is...? These are people who have a documented history of defrauding people, of behaving in unethical and even illegal ways over many years. Are they "all bad"? No, not at all. No one is "all bad" or "all good." There are, I'm sure, plenty of people who have had positive experiences with both of them. That doesn't change the established pattern of behavior. 

1 hour ago, noelbeast said:

Also, why are we suddenly in the realm of semantics here?  No, I don't mean unfair or inaccurate, or overstated.  I mean anecdotal: "(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research." 

I asked you because I wanted to clearly understand what you meant. Anecdotal doesn't mean necessarily true, but it also doesn't mean necessarily false, either. It's a neutral word, but the manner in which you used it implied "untrue", rather than simply "unconfirmed."

Here's your original quote:

1 hour ago, noelbeast said:

I did start to wonder how many of the poor reviews are from several years ago/how many of the negatives stories are anecdotal? 

....except they're all anecdotal. That's the nature of anecdote. Anecdotal doesn't mean "untrue." It simply means "unconfirmed." 

1 hour ago, noelbeast said:

Don't get triggered by this,

No one is triggered, in the sense that that word is used today. Do you have clean motives in using it...?

1 hour ago, noelbeast said:

but your story of them costing you several thousand dollars right here and now is anecdotal to me. 

That's correct...because it's an anecdote. That's what anecdote means. Why would anyone be "triggered" by a plain statement of fact, unless you mean something that is different...?

1 hour ago, noelbeast said:

Like I said, I don't know your specific story and I have only your word at this moment to support what you say.  I choose to believe you, if it helps in any way, but I'm also a student of history and so me personally: I'm pretty reliant on facts.

It's nice that you believe me, but you are neither expected nor required to. If you're really interested, and I don't imagine you are (don't be offended, that's just a statement of fact), I have laid out my personal story involving Chandler Rice elsewhere on this board (the "Sam Kieth in Boston" incident if you are so inclined to search.) And you aren't expected to know that, either. 

1 hour ago, noelbeast said:

If I had known posting something like this that I was happy about would get someone riled up like this, I wouldn't have bothered.

No one is "riled up." I am sharing my perspective and opinion, as you are sharing yours. My perspective and opinion was not meant to diminish your experience in any way...that's wonderful that your experience was good...but that doesn't change the established pattern of behavior demonstrated by Chandler Rice and Desert Wind over many years. And until and if he decides to make things right with people in a meaningful way...that's not going to change.

[Jeffro.]

Amazing what people are willing to put up with in order to feed their addiction. Cool Books!!

 

[Buzzetta]

I would not recommend Desert Wind or Celestial Wind to serve as footrests for when I want to watch TV and pop my feet up while on the couch. 

[noelbeast]

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 10:42 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

No one is attacking you. Chandler Rice is a selfish, irresponsible, unethical man, who has caused a lot of people a lot of harm over many years.

Your anecdote...as nice as it is...and Mattn makes a good point...does not undo any of that.

Do you know who "Danny Dupcak" is...? Do you know who PGX is...? These are people who have a documented history of defrauding people, of behaving in unethical and even illegal ways over many years. Are they "all bad"? No, not at all. No one is "all bad" or "all good." There are, I'm sure, plenty of people who have had positive experiences with both of them. That doesn't change the established pattern of behavior. 

I asked you because I wanted to clearly understand what you meant. Anecdotal doesn't mean necessarily true, but it also doesn't mean necessarily false, either. It's a neutral word, but the manner in which you used it implied "untrue", rather than simply "unconfirmed."

Here's your original quote:

....except they're all anecdotal. That's the nature of anecdote. Anecdotal doesn't mean "untrue." It simply means "unconfirmed." 

No one is triggered, in the sense that that word is used today. Do you have clean motives in using it...?

That's correct...because it's an anecdote. That's what anecdote means. Why would anyone be "triggered" by a plain statement of fact, unless you mean something that is different...? 

It's nice that you believe me, but you are neither expected nor required to. If you're really interested, and I don't imagine you are (don't be offended, that's just a statement of fact), I have laid out my personal story involving Chandler Rice elsewhere on this board (the "Sam Kieth in Boston" incident if you are so inclined to search.) And you aren't expected to know that, either. 

No one is "riled up." I am sharing my perspective and opinion, as you are sharing yours. My perspective and opinion was not meant to diminish your experience in any way...that's wonderful that your experience was good...but that doesn't change the established pattern of behavior demonstrated by Chandler Rice and Desert Wind over many years. And until and if he decides to make things right with people in a meaningful way...that's not going to change.

Wow man.  Where to start, or better yet: should I even bother?  Someone private messaged me last night, a member of this community, and explained that you make a habit of doing things like this and that I should just let it go.  Of course I can't, though, because...seriously...this is how you treat people?  Also, you state that you're not triggered or riled up, but you try to systematically pick apart what I say AND insinuate alternative meanings?  Are you for real? 
I'm not gonna lie, I'm triggered, so here we go, playing your game now: 

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 8:32 PM, noelbeast said:

Also, back while I was sweating it out and waiting for my first books to come back, possibly to try to convince myself that everything would be ok, I did start to wonder how many of the poor reviews are from several years ago/how many of the negatives stories are anecdotal?

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 10:42 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

It's a neutral word, but the manner in which you used it implied "untrue", rather than simply "unconfirmed."

You're really assuming implications and forcing them upon me?  Please tell me how my use of anecdotal up there implies the meaning "untrue"?  Better yet, please tell me what I was truly thinking when I wrote that, because apparently you know my thoughts better than I do.  

"How many of the negative stories are anecdotal", i.e. how many of those stories are (in your words): unconfirmed?  It's something I wondered.  Because as I sat there sweating it out, possibly having just made a big mistake by submitting to DW, I searched this forum extensively and saw multiple negative stories, and yet, as a student of history, I had to keep in mind that they were anecdotal since I couldn't see hard evidence.  I never said that anyone was a liar, nor would I be that rude to assume so.  As more and more negative experiences are expressed by others, you see the patterns and you make assumptions that are more likely correct than not.  That's a textbook first step towards research of a topic without a lot of readily available hard evidence to analyze.  Still, when doing so you're obviously making assumptions on anecdotal evidence; you shouldn't put all your eggs into one basket, but it's a step in the right direction towards making an informed decision.  At the time, I couldn't do much else; I had already dumbly submitted my comics to them.  So I pondered things, again, "to try to convince myself that everything would be ok".  

Let's recap since I wrote so much: never called anyone a liar, never thought "untrue."  Oh wait, unless, I dunno…you THINK I THOUGHT THAT THOUGHT???  I mean...let's get real here: clearly you're the expert on me. 

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 10:42 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 9:12 PM, noelbeast said:

Also, why are we suddenly in the realm of semantics here?  No, I don't mean unfair or inaccurate, or overstated.  I mean anecdotal: "(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research." 

I asked you because I wanted to clearly understand what you meant. Anecdotal doesn't mean necessarily true, but it also doesn't mean necessarily false, either. It's a neutral word, but the manner in which you used it implied "untrue", rather than simply "unconfirmed." 

Here's your original quote:

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 8:32 PM, noelbeast said:

I did start to wonder how many of the poor reviews are from several years ago/how many of the negatives stories are anecdotal? 

....except they're all anecdotal. That's the nature of anecdote. Anecdotal doesn't mean "untrue." It simply means "unconfirmed." 

I literally defined anecdotal at the top of this quote, and you tell me at the bottom that "It simply means 'unconfirmed', as if I hadn't already defined it ("based on personal accounts rather than facts or research"...so unconfirmed).  We're both saying the same thing, although according to you, I implied different meaning.  Cool.  If I hadn't already said it, thanks for being the expert on me.

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 10:42 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 9:12 PM, noelbeast said:

but your story of them costing you several thousand dollars right here and now is anecdotal to me. 

That's correct...because it's an anecdote. That's what anecdote means. Why would anyone be "triggered" by a plain statement of fact, unless you mean something that is different...?

Ummm.  Ok, more of this.  I literally just said that.  You're quoting me saying that your experience is anecdotal...to explain to me that it's an anecdote?  How is your statement here not some way to try to undermine and imply a different meaning than what I said?

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 10:42 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 9:12 PM, noelbeast said:

Don't get triggered by this,

No one is triggered, in the sense that that word is used today. Do you have clean motives in using it...?

Yes.  Can you please not imply that I don't with the use of the ellipsis & question mark?  I'm precisely trying to preface what I'm about to say because I genuinely am trying to make sure you understand that I'm using "anecdotal" correctly.  Apparently that's an issue between us

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 10:42 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 9:12 PM, noelbeast said:

but your story of them costing you several thousand dollars right here and now is anecdotal to me. 

That's correct...because it's an anecdote. That's what anecdote means. Why would anyone be "triggered" by a plain statement of fact, unless you mean something that is different...?

Back to this.  No.  Can you please not imply that I do with the use of the ellipsis & question mark?

On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 10:42 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

Your anecdote...as nice as it is...and Mattn makes a good point...does not undo any of that.

Finally my anecdote, as I stated previously, was to share a positive experience, not try to "undo any of that"...what Desert Wind/Celestial Comics has done to people in the past.  Thanks, yet again, for implying a meaning I wasn't out to make.

 

@RockMyAmadeus I feel like I've tried to be as respectful as possible to you.  I genuinely meant it when I said that I'm sorry they've cost you thousands of dollars.  Frankly, though, the way you've treated me is BS.  This interaction is just toxic, and I for one at least feel that the toxicity is coming mostly from your direction.  But I guess you're the experienced member on the board, I'm just some newbie, so don't worry about taking any of this to heart and thanks for putting me in my place. 

 

Mods: this is f-ed up, but I'm sure in most other people's eyes I'm the instigator here.  I guess delete my posts, ban me?  Doesn't really matter at this point.  I was excited to try to be more active in this community, share some more of my slabbed comics, original artwork collected, etc., but not really after this.  Clearly I made the mistake of thinking it would be acceptable to post a positive experience that generally goes against the grain--how silly of me to think that people would just accept its existence and not ram implied meaning down my throat.  So fun saying something and watching someone else twist its meaning.

If I don't get banned, I'll just continue to lurk and not talk about things that certain people don't like to see.

I wish you all a happy experience in your collecting.  Even you @RockMyAmadeus

[Buzzetta]

19 minutes ago, noelbeast said:

Wow man.  Where to start, or better yet: should I even bother?  Someone private messaged me last night, a member of this community, and explained that you make a habit of doing things like this and that I should just let it go.  Of course I can't, though, because...seriously...this is how you treat people?  Also, you state that you're not triggered or riled up, but you try to systematically pick apart what I say AND insinuate alternative meanings?  Are you for real? 
I'm not gonna lie, I'm triggered, so here we go, playing your game now: 

You're really assuming implications and forcing them upon me?  Please tell me how my use of anecdotal up there implies the meaning "untrue"?  Better yet, please tell me what I was truly thinking when I wrote that, because apparently you know my thoughts better than I do.  

"How many of the negative stories are anecdotal", i.e. how many of those stories are (in your words): unconfirmed?  It's something I wondered.  Because as I sat there sweating it out, possibly having just made a big mistake by submitting to DW, I searched this forum extensively and saw multiple negative stories, and yet, as a student of history, I had to keep in mind that they were anecdotal since I couldn't see hard evidence.  I never said that anyone was a liar, nor would I be that rude to assume so.  As more and more negative experiences are expressed by others, you see the patterns and you make assumptions that are more likely correct than not.  That's a textbook first step towards research of a topic without a lot of readily available hard evidence to analyze.  Still, when doing so you're obviously making assumptions on anecdotal evidence; you shouldn't put all your eggs into one basket, but it's a step in the right direction towards making an informed decision.  At the time, I couldn't do much else; I had already dumbly submitted my comics to them.  So I pondered things, again, "to try to convince myself that everything would be ok".  

Let's recap since I wrote so much: never called anyone a liar, never thought "untrue."  Oh wait, unless, I dunno…you THINK I THOUGHT THAT THOUGHT???  I mean...let's get real here: clearly you're the expert on me. 

I literally defined anecdotal at the top of this quote, and you tell me at the bottom that "It simply means 'unconfirmed', as if I hadn't already defined it ("based on personal accounts rather than facts or research"...so unconfirmed).  We're both saying the same thing, although according to you, I implied different meaning.  Cool.  If I hadn't already said it, thanks for being the expert on me.

Ummm.  Ok, more of this.  I literally just said that.  You're quoting me saying that your experience is anecdotal...to explain to me that it's an anecdote?  How is your statement here not some way to try to undermine and imply a different meaning than what I said?

Yes.  Can you please not imply that I don't with the use of the ellipsis & question mark?  I'm precisely trying to preface what I'm about to say because I genuinely am trying to make sure you understand that I'm using "anecdotal" correctly.  Apparently that's an issue between us

Back to this.  No.  Can you please not imply that I do with the use of the ellipsis & question mark?

Finally my anecdote, as I stated previously, was to share a positive experience, not try to "undo any of that"...what Desert Wind/Celestial Comics has done to people in the past.  Thanks, yet again, for implying a meaning I wasn't out to make.

 

@RockMyAmadeus I feel like I've tried to be as respectful as possible to you.  I genuinely meant it when I said that I'm sorry they've cost you thousands of dollars.  Frankly, though, the way you've treated me is BS.  This interaction is just toxic, and I for one at least feel that the toxicity is coming mostly from your direction.  But I guess you're the experienced member on the board, I'm just some newbie, so don't worry about taking any of this to heart and thanks for putting me in my place. 

 

Mods: this is f-ed up, but I'm sure in most other people's eyes I'm the instigator here.  I guess delete my posts, ban me?  Doesn't really matter at this point.  I was excited to try to be more active in this community, share some more of my slabbed comics, original artwork collected, etc., but not really after this.  Clearly I made the mistake of thinking it would be acceptable to post a positive experience that generally goes against the grain--how silly of me to think that people would just accept its existence and not ram implied meaning down my throat.  So fun saying something and watching someone else twist its meaning.

If I don't get banned, I'll just continue to lurk and not talk about things that certain people don't like to see.

I wish you all a happy experience in your collecting.  Even you @RockMyAmadeus

No one is banning you...there is no instigator on either party...

I will sum up what RMA is trying to explain in fewer words.  While you may have had a final resolution to what you perceive to be minor issues with Desert Wind / Celestial there are quite a few that find their business practices and how they handle themselves to be lackluster.  

Personally I do not trust them to facilitate books.

There have been accounts of missing books, switched books, lost books, delayed books, and no responses to the run around and way too often. 

Personally I would not use them. 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2019 by Buzzetta

[Lazyboy]

12 hours ago, noelbeast said:

Clearly I made the mistake of thinking it would be acceptable to post a positive experience that generally goes against the grain--how silly of me to think that people would just accept its existence and not ram implied meaning down my throat. 

Why would you think that people who've been by a crappy company and who know others who've had negative experiences would want to hear about positive experiences with the company? It would be acceptable if your response had been timely, though even your "positive" experience had issues!

[kav]

17 hours ago, noelbeast said:

Wow man.  Where to start, or better yet: should I even bother?  Someone private messaged me last night, a member of this community, and explained that you make a habit of doing things like this and that I should just let it go.  Of course I can't, though, because...seriously...this is how you treat people?  Also, you state that you're not triggered or riled up, but you try to systematically pick apart what I say AND insinuate alternative meanings?  Are you for real? 
I'm not gonna lie, I'm triggered, so here we go, playing your game now: 

You're really assuming implications and forcing them upon me?  Please tell me how my use of anecdotal up there implies the meaning "untrue"?  Better yet, please tell me what I was truly thinking when I wrote that, because apparently you know my thoughts better than I do.  

"How many of the negative stories are anecdotal", i.e. how many of those stories are (in your words): unconfirmed?  It's something I wondered.  Because as I sat there sweating it out, possibly having just made a big mistake by submitting to DW, I searched this forum extensively and saw multiple negative stories, and yet, as a student of history, I had to keep in mind that they were anecdotal since I couldn't see hard evidence.  I never said that anyone was a liar, nor would I be that rude to assume so.  As more and more negative experiences are expressed by others, you see the patterns and you make assumptions that are more likely correct than not.  That's a textbook first step towards research of a topic without a lot of readily available hard evidence to analyze.  Still, when doing so you're obviously making assumptions on anecdotal evidence; you shouldn't put all your eggs into one basket, but it's a step in the right direction towards making an informed decision.  At the time, I couldn't do much else; I had already dumbly submitted my comics to them.  So I pondered things, again, "to try to convince myself that everything would be ok".  

Let's recap since I wrote so much: never called anyone a liar, never thought "untrue."  Oh wait, unless, I dunno…you THINK I THOUGHT THAT THOUGHT???  I mean...let's get real here: clearly you're the expert on me. 

I literally defined anecdotal at the top of this quote, and you tell me at the bottom that "It simply means 'unconfirmed', as if I hadn't already defined it ("based on personal accounts rather than facts or research"...so unconfirmed).  We're both saying the same thing, although according to you, I implied different meaning.  Cool.  If I hadn't already said it, thanks for being the expert on me.

Ummm.  Ok, more of this.  I literally just said that.  You're quoting me saying that your experience is anecdotal...to explain to me that it's an anecdote?  How is your statement here not some way to try to undermine and imply a different meaning than what I said?

Yes.  Can you please not imply that I don't with the use of the ellipsis & question mark?  I'm precisely trying to preface what I'm about to say because I genuinely am trying to make sure you understand that I'm using "anecdotal" correctly.  Apparently that's an issue between us

Back to this.  No.  Can you please not imply that I do with the use of the ellipsis & question mark?

Finally my anecdote, as I stated previously, was to share a positive experience, not try to "undo any of that"...what Desert Wind/Celestial Comics has done to people in the past.  Thanks, yet again, for implying a meaning I wasn't out to make.

 

@RockMyAmadeus I feel like I've tried to be as respectful as possible to you.  I genuinely meant it when I said that I'm sorry they've cost you thousands of dollars.  Frankly, though, the way you've treated me is BS.  This interaction is just toxic, and I for one at least feel that the toxicity is coming mostly from your direction.  But I guess you're the experienced member on the board, I'm just some newbie, so don't worry about taking any of this to heart and thanks for putting me in my place. 

 

Mods: this is f-ed up, but I'm sure in most other people's eyes I'm the instigator here.  I guess delete my posts, ban me?  Doesn't really matter at this point.  I was excited to try to be more active in this community, share some more of my slabbed comics, original artwork collected, etc., but not really after this.  Clearly I made the mistake of thinking it would be acceptable to post a positive experience that generally goes against the grain--how silly of me to think that people would just accept its existence and not ram implied meaning down my throat.  So fun saying something and watching someone else twist its meaning.

If I don't get banned, I'll just continue to lurk and not talk about things that certain people don't like to see.

I wish you all a happy experience in your collecting.  Even you @RockMyAmadeus

Just relax and learn to disregard posts you see as wildly incorrect.  You dont have to fight every battle.  You're welcome here.