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Identifying Pedigrees: Suscha News v Western Penn (E-Man #1)
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I just got 3 copies of E-Man #1 back from CGC, two of which were Western Penn and 1 of which was Suscha News... and I feel like CGC may have swapped the labels.

That or I have my original info backwards, but I'm pretty positive I don't as I only had scans of the Suscha book and submitted all 3 of them as soon as I got the 2 Western Penn copies in the mail.

Is there a reliable way to differentiate these two pedigrees from each other?

Here are the raw scans of what I believe is the Suscha copy (graded NM+ by Metropolis)

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Full size (front): http://www.schmakt.com/issues/Charlton/E-Man_1973/1SuschaNews_1-CGCVFNM.jpg

Full size (back): http://www.schmakt.com/issues/Charlton/E-Man_1973/1SuschaNews_2-CGCVFNM.jpg

Here are the scans of the "Suscha" book back from CGC

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Full size (front): http://www.schmakt.com/issues/Charlton/E-Man_1973/1BackSuschaNews-CGCVFNM.jpg

Full size (back): http://www.schmakt.com/issues/Charlton/E-Man_1973/1SuschaNews-CGCVFNM.jpg

 

Here is the book that I believe is from the original scan and should be the Suscha copy that CGC labeled as Western Penn (book was pressed, so I think that may explain the slightly different alignment of the staples) This was graded as VF/NM by WW Comics, and the slight yellowing down the spine also seems to match the original scan.  The other Western Penn came back 9.6 and does not have the yellowing. There is also what appears to be a small smudge under the "e" in the word "Postage" on the back cover that matches the scan above.

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Full size (front): http://www.schmakt.com/issues/Charlton/E-Man_1973/1BackWesternPenn-CGCNM.jpg

Full size (back): http://www.schmakt.com/issues/Charlton/E-Man_1973/1WesternPenn-CGCNM.jpg

 

Any ideas?  That stamp on the back of the "Suscha" copy seems a little strange too - I haven't seen that before on any Suscha or Western Penn copies.  I also sent in a copy from the Tremont collection that I haven't yet received.  That one has a stamp on the back, but it is "Aug 22" with a completely different orientation.

EDIT: Well I'm not sure what I've done to screw up some of the full size links.  Copy/Paste should work if clicking does not... sorry about that :-/

Edited by Schmakt
oops... one too many scans attached... and a link was messed up
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Looking at the cut of the two books the raw book looks to be the second book below.  The one they identify as Western Penn.  You can see it in how much cover there is above the comics code seal and even more on the bottom where you can see the black line with the white below it on the bottom right.

 

EDIT:  That is to say I have no idea if the raw scan is the second book, but from the cut I can tell it's not the first book.

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Thanks!  I hadn't noticed that particular thing before... I agree that the raw book and the first book are definitely not the same.  And I'm *pretty* sure that the 2nd one is actually the raw book and that these are now mislabeled in their slabs.  

Just didn't know if there was any way to identify these 2 pedigrees outside of trying to compare the scan I made years ago - who knows, maybe I screwed up and mislabeled something... I just don't think so. (And none of my raw scans have that stamp on them.)

Does CGC label Pedigrees just b/c I select the "Pedigree" option when submitting?

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