Comic Price Archaeology (Mapping "World Record" comics sales back to OSPG #1) 1 1

[rob_react]

2 hours ago, Tri-ColorBrian said:

Rob, I like how Tec 27 sold in 2010 for 107 million 500 thousand dollars...you either put too many zeros on that number or just wanted to see how many number nerds would catch that...Brilliant!  What do i win? 

Typos for fun and profit

[rob_react]

23 hours ago, RareHighGrade said:

Don't forget the 3 sales of the Marvel #1 Pay Copy after it was bought by Parino:  $201K in 2006, $205K in 2007 and $227K in 2010  

Insert hot potato emoji

[tth2]

2 minutes ago, rob_react said:

2 hours ago, Tri-ColorBrian said:

Rob, I like how Tec 27 sold in 2010 for 107 million 500 thousand dollars...you either put too many zeros on that number or just wanted to see how many number nerds would catch that...Brilliant!  What do i win? 

Typos for fun and profit

Some commas in the numbers would be helpful, given that most human process data in groups of 3 or 4.

[rob_react]

2 minutes ago, tth2 said:

Some commas in the numbers would be helpful, given that most human process data in groups of 3 or 4.

Yeah, when I'm outputting the data for actual human consumption I'll apply a locale based filter on the numbers so that the commas and periods are in there and in the right place based on what you'd expect. Right now I'm just trying to gather the data. 

Edited September 3, 2018 by rob_react
gathering.

[rob_react]

hot off the presses

2014-08-24 Action Comics 1 9.0 eBay $3,207,852

2011-11-30 Action Comics 1 9.0 Cage Copy ComicConnect $2,161,000

2010-03-29 Action Comics 1 8.5 ComicConnect $1,500,000

2010-02-25 Detective Comics 27 8.0 Heritage $1,075,000

2010-02-22 Action Comics 1 8.0 Kansas City ComicConnect $1,000,000

2004-01-01 Flash Comics 1 9.6 Church copy, sold to JP the Mint private sale $350,000

2003-01-01 Marvel Comics 1 9.0 Pay Copy, sold to JP the Mint Steve Geppi $350,000

2001-01-01 Detective Comics 27 8.0 Mastronet $278,190

2001-01-01 Captain America Comics 1 9.6 Allentown, sold to John Verzyl private sale $260,000

1995-01-01 Action Comics 1 Now: CGC 8.5 Sold by PCE to Daniel Kramer PCE $137,500

1994-01-01 Detective Comics 27 8.5 Church private sale $125,000

1993-01-01 Detective Comics 27 high grade 'other high grade' copy private sale $101,000

1992-01-01 Action Comics 1 78 Cage Copy Sotheby's $82,500

1990-03-01 Detective Comics 27 NM-MT Allentown Metropolis to Dave Anderson $80,000

1984-01-01 Action Comics 1 NM Chuch Copy Private Sale $25,000

1979-10-08 Marvel Comics 1 Steve Geppi Snyder $17,500

1979-01-01 Marvel Comics 1 Snyder private sale $13,000

1975-01-01 Marvel Comics 1 Per Boston Globe clipping in April of 1076 private sale $6,300

1974-01-04 Whiz 2 Reilly Copy, bought by Burl Rowe Comics & Comix $2,000

1974-01-04 Detective 27 Reilly Copy, bought by Burl Rowe Comics & Comix $2,200

1973-04-02 Action 1 Bruce Hamilton Gene Henderson $1,000

1973-04-22 Action 1 Theo Hostein Bruce Hamilton $1,500

1973-05-01 Action 1 Mitch Mehdy Theo Hostein $1,801.26

1968-01-01 Marvel Comics 1 Howard Rogolfsky $330

1965-01-01 Action Comics 1 $250

[adamstrange]

You missed a couple posts in this thread:

Overstreet #7  MPFW which topped out at $6k (should be a 1976 sale)

Price Guide 8 (1977 market report) has a MC 1 "selling out of Canada" for $7,500

[rob_react]

6 hours ago, adamstrange said:

You missed a couple posts in this thread:

Overstreet #7  MPFW which topped out at $6k (should be a 1976 sale)

Price Guide 8 (1977 market report) has a MC 1 "selling out of Canada" for $7,500

 

The MPFW must be the same sale mentioned in the Boston Globe article and it's MPFW and not Marvel #1? I'm running with that idea. 

Edited September 3, 2018 by rob_react

[adamstrange]

4 minutes ago, rob_react said:

The MPFW must be the same sale mentioned in the Boston Globe article and it's MPFW and not Marvel #1? I'm running with that idea. 

I don't see any reason to assume that (different title, different amount) but the Price Guide does not give any specific date for the MPFW sale so I can't disprove what you are suggesting.

[rob_react]

1 hour ago, adamstrange said:

I don't see any reason to assume that (different title, different amount) but the Price Guide does not give any specific date for the MPFW sale so I can't disprove what you are suggesting.

It's not necessarily a different title. The Globe said "First appearance of Sub Mariner" I was just assuming (without thinking of the dates) that that meant Marvel Comics #1. MPFW had just burst onto the scene a year earlier. 

[rob_react]

On 8/28/2018 at 7:50 AM, rob_react said:

 

 

I'll have this up on the web soon. The data is still not perfect, but it's coming together. 

I'm going to do a version that just shows the march to $100,000 as well, because (as I mentioned earlier) the early stuff is basically impossible to see in any sort of detail at this scale. 

[rob_react]

This is the march to $100,000.

Edited September 15, 2018 by rob_react
labeling

[rob_react]

The data isn't complete, so this isn't being published to my site just yet, but I the code for the visualization is at a point where I can share it

A Timeline of World Record Comic Book Sales

I'm looking for missing books, missing sellers and more complete dates before I publish it to my site. It's pretty good already (thanks @sfcityduck and everyone else who's helped- you will all get super kudos on the site.)

[sfcityduck]

Two comments:

• Action Comics #1 (Church Copy) by an unknown seller for $25,000.00 ($58,979.79) to Dave Anderson sometime in 1984
• Detective Comics #27 (Allentown) by an unknown seller for $80,000.00 ($150,035.20) to Dave Anderson sometime in 1990

I thought I'd heard that Snyder was the first unknown seller and Fishler/Payettel the second, right?

Edited September 18, 2018 by sfcityduck

[sfcityduck]

You made me curious enough about the 1984-1990 gap that I cracked my old guides.

OPG 15 reported in the 1984 market report that the MIle High Marvel Comics 1 sold for $35K (!), and three other high grade copies changed hands for between $20K and $24K.  It also reports that the Mile High Action 1 sold to a dealer for $20,500 and MH Action 2-13 for $29,500 (would that have been Chuck to Snyder?).  It then says that the set was sold to a collector (DA), for cash/trade, with the value of the A1 set at $25K. That adds some context to DA's purchase of Action 1 that I think I was missing.

OPG 17 reported in the 1986 market report that the MH MC 1 changed hands in a first trade deal valued at $69K and a second trade deal valued at $80K.

 

 

[PopKulture]

2 hours ago, sfcityduck said:

You made me curious enough about the 1984-1990 gap that I cracked my old guides.

OPG 15 reported in the 1984 market report that the MIle High Marvel Comics 1 sold for $35K (!), and three other high grade copies changed hands for between $20K and $24K.  It also reports that the Mile High Action 1 sold to a dealer for $20,500 and MH Action 2-13 for $29,500 (would that have been Chuck to Snyder?).  It then says that the set was sold to a collector (DA), for cash/trade, with the value of the A1 set at $25K. That adds some context to DA's purchase of Action 1 that I think I was missing.

OPG 17 reported in the 1986 market report that the MH MC 1 changed hands in a first trade deal valued at $69K and a second trade deal valued at $80K.

 

 

Forgive me is it's otherwise well known, but is the MH Marvel 1 a 9.0 as I seem to recall, and is its current owner more or less a matter of record within the hobby? 

 

Edited September 18, 2018 by PopKulture

[rob_react]

John Verzyl, yes. There are two things with that sale, 

7 hours ago, sfcityduck said:

Two comments:

• Action Comics #1 (Church Copy) by an unknown seller for $25,000.00 ($58,979.79) to Dave Anderson sometime in 1984
• Detective Comics #27 (Allentown) by an unknown seller for $80,000.00 ($150,035.20) to Dave Anderson sometime in 1990

I thought I'd heard that Snyder was the first unknown seller and Fishler/Payettel the second, right?

I have queries out to verify both of those. 

[rob_react]

4 hours ago, PopKulture said:

Forgive me is it's otherwise well known, but is the MH Marvel 1 a 9.0 as I seem to recall, and is its current owner more or less a matter of record within the hobby? 

 

Yes, John Verzyl. The anecdote he shared about the condition was that, as part of the deal to buy it, he pored over the book, looking for defects and found none. He said it was flawless and, as an added bonus, has perfect registration. 

 

7 hours ago, sfcityduck said:

You made me curious enough about the 1984-1990 gap that I cracked my old guides.

OPG 15 reported in the 1984 market report that the MIle High Marvel Comics 1 sold for $35K (!), and three other high grade copies changed hands for between $20K and $24K.  It also reports that the Mile High Action 1 sold to a dealer for $20,500 and MH Action 2-13 for $29,500 (would that have been Chuck to Snyder?).  It then says that the set was sold to a collector (DA), for cash/trade, with the value of the A1 set at $25K. That adds some context to DA's purchase of Action 1 that I think I was missing.

OPG 17 reported in the 1986 market report that the MH MC 1 changed hands in a first trade deal valued at $69K and a second trade deal valued at $80K.

 

 

There's no other cash sales reported between 1984 and 1990? I honestly thought I had mined the guides pretty well, but the first sale of the MH Marvel Comics #1 is a detail I didn't have. 

[sfcityduck]

2 hours ago, rob_react said:

 

 

There's no other cash sales reported between 1984 and 1990? 

I stopped looking at OPG 17.  I've got a gap in my guides at that point.  

I realize that trade deals are a different beast than cash deals, but I'm inclined to think you ought to include them for purposes of your chart.  Because I don't think there's much doubt that these blockbuster trade deals did impact the market's perceptions and were viewed as "records" when they occurred.  

[Crowzilla]

4 hours ago, rob_react said:

I have queries out to verify both of those. 

I already posted the CBG that states Metro was the (re)seller on the Allentown Tec 27 (Payette was only involved in the initial sale).

Snyder has confirmed he was the seller of the Action 1 to Anderson (pretty sure I posted about this several years ago after talking/semi-interviewing him about the sale). 

[rob_react]

1 hour ago, sfcityduck said:

I stopped looking at OPG 17.  I've got a gap in my guides at that point.  

I realize that trade deals are a different beast than cash deals, but I'm inclined to think you ought to include them for purposes of your chart.  Because I don't think there's much doubt that these blockbuster trade deals did impact the market's perceptions and were viewed as "records" when they occurred.  

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