Journey Into Mystery 83 CGC 5.0 Switched label?? 2 2

[James J Johnson]

7 hours ago, The Lions Den said:

Hi JJ. Nice detective work here. I found some other interesting things out about this seller. This is his third user ID since 2009. Each user ID has about a 3 year lifespan, so he's likely due to change it again pretty soon. He lists many of his books now with a Buy It Now or Best Offer; the ones he lists that you can bid on are all private listings.   

Private listings? Aren't all listings technically "private" since ebay started scrambling buyer's IDs on listing pages and their feedback? It's just two letters separated by three stars and the feedback number. Doesn't really give you much to go on if you want to see who won an auction. IMO, a seller is doing himself more harm than good by doing that because "what's he hiding?".  Wouldn't be me bidding.

[The Lions Den]

1 hour ago, James J Johnson said:

Private listings? Aren't all listings technically "private" since ebay started scrambling buyer's IDs on listing pages and their feedback? It's just two letters separated by three stars and the feedback number. Doesn't really give you much to go on if you want to see who won an auction. IMO, a seller is doing himself more harm than good by doing that because "what's he hiding?".  Wouldn't be me bidding.

Let the buyer beware...  

[James J Johnson]

19 minutes ago, The Lions Den said:

Let the buyer beware...  

Ebay. Some buyers make it through without getting burned. Some aren't as lucky.

 

 

[James J Johnson]

32 minutes ago, The Lions Den said:

Let the buyer beware...  

But in truth, 95% of what you need to determine a buyer's (and his product's) reliability is given to you by ebay. Most of it is there. The clues. It's just a matter of using the info Ebay provides, doing some research and digging, to hopefully tilt the odds of a successful purchase in your favor. At that point it's just a matter of diligence and common sense dictating whether to pass or play.

And coupled with the information you can learn on this forum, sometimes directly about sellers, should significantly reduce the odds of a purchase gone bad.

Edited September 11, 2018 by James J Johnson

[The Lions Den]

2 hours ago, James J Johnson said:

But in truth, 95% of what you need to determine a buyer's (and his product's) reliability is given to you by ebay. Most of it is there. The clues. It's just a matter of using the info Ebay provides, doing some research and digging, to hopefully tilt the odds of a successful purchase in your favor. At that point it's just a matter of diligence and common sense dictating whether to pass or play.

And coupled with the information you can learn on this forum, sometimes directly about sellers, should significantly reduce the odds of a purchase gone bad.

Wise words, JJ, as usual. Thank you for your investigative insight!  

[The Lions Den]

4 hours ago, James J Johnson said:

Ebay. Some buyers make it through without getting burned. Some aren't as lucky.

 

 

Perfect!   

[TheGeneral]

Spotted another interesting book from the same seller. Looks a little off on the right side too.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/X-MEN-1-CGC-5-0-1st-Appearance-o-w-white-pages-/173568568350?hash=item28697e2c1e%3Ag%3AfVcAAOSw2YZbs96c&nma=true&si=PpVT7DGfDisf0VazVd44eNZ4LuE%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Edited October 15, 2018 by TheGeneral

[James J Johnson]

4 hours ago, TheGeneral said:

Spotted another interesting book from the same seller. Looks a little off on the right side too.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/X-MEN-1-CGC-5-0-1st-Appearance-o-w-white-pages-/173568568350?hash=item28697e2c1e%3Ag%3AfVcAAOSw2YZbs96c&nma=true&si=PpVT7DGfDisf0VazVd44eNZ4LuE%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

The roll here should not affect the degree to which the right edge is apparently cut-off. The right edge appears to be trimmed and with the tape stains, roll, weak spine and whatever the heck that is on the right edge, tape?, removed tape?, a piece?, I can't tell for sure. It's no better than a restored 3.0. Most of this seller's slabs, both CGC and PGX look like they contain books that drastically differ from the label grade.

[Dan82]

Is there no laws against this sort of thing? Or forging signatures and passing them off as real? This is pretty shady to say the least, I thought the case was tamper-proof.

[Dan82]

I think this guy and the insufficiently_thoughtful_person doing the sigs both deserve a little time in the can!

[James J Johnson]

30 minutes ago, Dan82 said:

Is there no laws against this sort of thing? Or forging signatures and passing them off as real? This is pretty shady to say the least, I thought the case was tamper-proof.

Apparently owning encapsulation/label-making machinery and calling yourself a 'grading service'  gives you license to give your opinion legally, even if that opinion is self-serving when slabbing your own merchandise. As far as I'm concerned, based on what I've seen, when you buy a book from anywhere in Oregon, expect the worse and be pleasantly surprised if you get close to what you paid for.

[VintageComics]

This guy could be switching books out of holders or someone might just be using them to fence switched books.

Has anyone notified CGC of this? They may be able to take legal recourse here.

@Brittany M.

@Scott =)

 

[James J Johnson]

45 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

This guy could be switching books out of holders or someone might just be using them to fence switched books.

Has anyone notified CGC of this? They may be able to take legal recourse here.

@Brittany M.

@Scott =)

 

I thought of that, but then...… Oregon!

And he's typically listing the usual, rancid cornucopia of PGX massively over-graded books that is associated with the name, the grading so fraudulently over-stated that whether cracked out and replaced wouldn't make a bit of difference in the long run. Every PGX graded book looks to me like it was cracked out of a much lower-graded CGC case, that's just the way it is with everything they touch, IMO.

 

 

[James J Johnson]

58 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

This guy could be switching books out of holders or someone might just be using them to fence switched books.

Has anyone notified CGC of this? They may be able to take legal recourse here.

@Brittany M.

@Scott =)

 

And he's definitely switching too. A good number of his hideously over-graded books have the slab broken or cracked at the top/top sides, in order to switch the "floating" label.

You may not have read the entire thread. Scan through it and you'll see multiple examples of this pictured.

[VintageComics]

I've notified CGC and they're going to look into it.

[James J Johnson]

6 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

I've notified CGC and they're going to look into it.

  

[Brittany M.]

1 hour ago, VintageComics said:

This guy could be switching books out of holders or someone might just be using them to fence switched books.

Has anyone notified CGC of this? They may be able to take legal recourse here.

@Brittany M.

@Scott =)

 

We're looking into this.

[kav]

 nice

Edited October 15, 2018 by kav

[James J Johnson]

3 hours ago, Brittany M. said:

We're looking into this.

Compiling his past few months of closed CGC listings for you that have, by his description, "cracks in the slab".

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spider-Man-129-CGC-NM-9-2-1st-Punisher-Appearance-white-pages-/173580801931?hash=item286a38d78b%3Ag%3AFpcAAOSwnhJbvUK2&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-232-NM-9-4-CGC-graded-1st-Appearance-Ra-039-s-Al-Ghul-looks-9-8-/173544776509?hash=item286813233d%3Ag%3AiJ0AAOSwDYBbotIG&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Daredevil-1-CGC-6-5-Ow-white-pages-/173465697380?hash=item28635c7c64%3Ag%3Ad88AAOSwkIBbKa-S&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tomb-of-Dracula-10-CGC-9-4-1st-Appearance-Blade-the-Vampire-Slayer-/173465684318?hash=item28635c495e%3Ag%3AFxMAAOSwWJZbWl98&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 

 

Here's one sold with the label only, no case, the cracked case in the background. He sure does have bad luck with CGC cases, doesn't he?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Green-Lantern-Arrow-76-CGC-8-0-no-case-Denny-O-039-Neil-Neal-Adams-/173431167809?hash=item28614d9b41%3Ag%3AFRwAAOSwBsNbWO4T&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

Here's the CGC "5.0" that started the thread. No talk of cracks, but I doubt CGC graders would give this better than 3.0.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Journey-into-Mystery-CGC-5-0-1st-Appearance-THOR-Jack-Kirby-Stan-Lee-/173431158466?hash=item28614d76c2%3Ag%3AFdsAAOSw70BbWOxP&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

Another one without a case, just a 9.4 label, and in reality, no better than most CGC 8.0s with it's rubs on the top of the front cover and "too many to count" spine stresses on the back cover..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Iron-Fist-14-CGC-9-4-no-case-1st-Appearance-Sabretooth-/173433503029?hash=item2861713d35%3Ag%3APfcAAOSwnr9bWmC7&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by James J Johnson

[The Lions Den]

17 minutes ago, James J Johnson said:

Compiling his past few months of closed CGC listings for you that have, by his description, "cracks in the slab".

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spider-Man-129-CGC-NM-9-2-1st-Punisher-Appearance-white-pages-/173580801931?hash=item286a38d78b%3Ag%3AFpcAAOSwnhJbvUK2&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-232-NM-9-4-CGC-graded-1st-Appearance-Ra-039-s-Al-Ghul-looks-9-8-/173544776509?hash=item286813233d%3Ag%3AiJ0AAOSwDYBbotIG&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Daredevil-1-CGC-6-5-Ow-white-pages-/173465697380?hash=item28635c7c64%3Ag%3Ad88AAOSwkIBbKa-S&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tomb-of-Dracula-10-CGC-9-4-1st-Appearance-Blade-the-Vampire-Slayer-/173465684318?hash=item28635c495e%3Ag%3AFxMAAOSwWJZbWl98&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 

 

Here's one sold with the label only, no case, the cracked case in the background. He sure does have bad luck with CGC cases, doesn't he?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Green-Lantern-Arrow-76-CGC-8-0-no-case-Denny-O-039-Neil-Neal-Adams-/173431167809?hash=item28614d9b41%3Ag%3AFRwAAOSwBsNbWO4T&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

Here's the CGC "5.0" that started the thread. No talk of cracks, but I doubt CGC graders would give this better than 3.0.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Journey-into-Mystery-CGC-5-0-1st-Appearance-THOR-Jack-Kirby-Stan-Lee-/173431158466?hash=item28614d76c2%3Ag%3AFdsAAOSw70BbWOxP&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

Another one without a case, just a 9.4 label, and in reality, no better than most CGC 8.0s with it's rubs on the top of the front cover and "too many to count" spine stresses on the back cover..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Iron-Fist-14-CGC-9-4-no-case-1st-Appearance-Sabretooth-/173433503029?hash=item2861713d35%3Ag%3APfcAAOSwnr9bWmC7&nma=true&si=U62yaoeFqpZI%2BK5ZqeqA4tEijiU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

 

Nice job, JJ.