see pic - could CGC have possibly given this a 9.6?? 0

[smileLP]

hi y'all.  i just bought a tomb of dracula #10 CGC 9.6.  it is registered as same on cgc registry, so that's all fine.  but i was surprised by the amount of wear in UL corner.  doesn't cgc assigning a 9.6 mean it's virtually perfect?  this flaw is NOT hard to see, in fact, it's the first thing your eye is drawn to.  here's a photo.  can this really be 9.6?

assumption is rest of book is flawless, i guess, if true.  it's not, on some edges, when looking through magnifying reading glasses, but maybe close enuf?  also, the top of the book, the front cover, is cut at a slight angle - - the amount of blue over the yellow title/marvel line on the left, is a little less than on the right (doesn't that detract from grade/attractiveness).  it's slight, but in the realm of 9.6's is that a consideration?

thanks for any help.  trying to decide if i should keep this.  paid a 9.6 price!  maybe it incurred some damage after slabbing?  or is this UL corner ok w/9.6??

p.s.  i notice i can pry the case open a little on each side, maybe 3 or 4".   is that normal?  another cgc i have here (i only have 2) is completely sealed on both sides and can't be pried open.  my TOD 10 does NOT open enuf to pull a comic out and switch another in.  thnx again!

Edited September 16, 2018 by smileLP
forgot the p.s.

[RockMyAmadeus]

Sure. Doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary for a 9.6, provided the rest of the book is as sharp as those edges.

A 9.6 virtually perfect...? No. Not even close.

You're undergrading the book substantially.

And the miscut is so slight, as to not even be noticeable by most people.

THAT said...if YOU don't like it, ask the seller if you can return it, and offer to cover shipping both ways, so they aren't out anything. There's nothing wrong with the book as is, so if it's not to your liking, you should return it, while making sure the seller isn't out anything because of your dissatisfaction.

[RockMyAmadeus]

And yes, with old style cases, it's perfectly normal to be able to "open" the sides a bit. They weren't sealed, on purpose.

[divad]

CGC never makes grading errors. Its grade is whatever the big blue label says it is. Of course, if you were to crack it out and re-submit it, it may come back as a 9.4, or maybe even a 9.8, or maybe even a 9.2. It just depends which way the wind is blowing. If I however, listed that book raw on feebay as a 9.6, my fellow CGC brethren would be tearing me a new one.  

 

[The Lions Den]

Was this particular flaw visible in the listing before you decided to purchase it?  

[Bomber-Bob]

I would not be happy with that book as a 9.6, apparently you are not either. I would return it. Trust me, your feelings about this book will not get better over time. It will get to the point where you don't even want to look at it anymore. Good question from the Lion, couldn't you see this in the listing ? It is rather apparent, not subtle. I'm curious, you did not show us the whole book nor the cert number, when was the book graded ?

[smileLP]

i bought the TOD 10 9.6 sight unseen, it was mailed to me; but i only put down a deposit, the rest of the payment due upon my satisfaction (my terms).  i'm going to be a reseller on this comic and it was a good price, if a true 9.6 w/no probs.  here are the rest of the photos...

it was graded exactly 3 yrs. ago (9/15)

**if i call cgc, do they have a photo of this comic when it was submitted?  if i can see that corner as it appeared then, i'll know if it suffered subsequent damage.  do they provide this service?**

thnx!

Edited September 16, 2018 by smileLP
forgot something

[BlowUpTheMoon]

1 hour ago, smileLP said:

**if i call cgc, do they have a photo of this comic when it was submitted?  if i can see that corner as it appeared then, i'll know if it suffered subsequent damage.  do they provide this service?**

Nope. 

[smileLP]

yikes (thnx)

i also have the fear that the comic was switched.  is there a way to tell if the slab has been opened?  or if it's been opened, it couldn't be sealed again so it's ok?

thnx again

[KobaltDog]

Can u take a pic of the sides?

[namisgr]

It looks like a 9.4 on most days that got a 9.6 on a particular day.  It seems highly unlikely the book was switched out or suffered slab damage from the look of it.

[Bomber-Bob]

4 hours ago, smileLP said:

yikes (thnx)

i also have the fear that the comic was switched.  is there a way to tell if the slab has been opened?  or if it's been opened, it couldn't be sealed again so it's ok?

thnx again

I don't think the book was switched, nor do I think the book was damaged. If damage was sustained inside the inner well it would be a crunch or crease. That corner is a color rub. You mentioned you are flipping the book, I think it highly likely a prospective buyer will not like this book either. It's simply a poorly graded book. Return it and get your money back. 

[Tony S]

Book looks 9.6 to me. 

[JollyComics]

Don't risk it. It's already settled at 9.6 White pages.

Today, all graders are pretty tight with the grades. You may get 9.4. I am very doubt it will come back at the same grade or 9.8. Just leave it as is.

[smileLP]

namisgr, i think you hit the nail on the head, most days a 9.4, that day, someone in a hurry?, a 9.6

to me, w/my many yrs in the bsns, i think it's a 9.2 w/that corner!  that corner alone might not make it a 9.2, but there are a few other tiny things

it's funny how we can't even agree in this pedigree forum  ; )   some say "return it, it's NG," others say "looks like 9.6 to me!"

if you're curious how this will turn out, i've decided to keep it.  i bought it at a 9.4'ish price, maybe i can sell it at 9.6 (as we've said, some of you think it IS a 9.6) which means a nice profit, but if i have to i will offer a partial refund or sell it as a 9.6 that some feel is more a 9.4, and make just a small profit

i guess i'll roll the dice on this baby.  would somebody who believes in cgc grading absolutely and as the last word, please come forward and buy it  ; 0

thank you all for your help

i just put it up on ebay for a very 9.6/high price.  if you're one of the contributors here who said, "it ain't no 9.6!", don't buy it!!  if you liked it, feel free...   ; )

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

As I said before, based solely on that (blown up) one corner, you're undergrading the book.

If you think it's no better than a 9.2, I do find it interesting that you've priced it at a very-high-for-9.6 price. And not just any 9.6 price...you've listed it for 50% higher than it's ever sold for in 9.6, ever.

It's nearly twice the 12 month avg, and over twice the 2017 avg. 

Don't misunderstand: you have the right to price it at any price you want, and think you can get.

I just find it interesting that you think it's a 9.2 but you've priced it where you have. Understandable; people don't pay for your opinion, they pay for CGC's. 

I think it's a tad insulting to suggest that CGC graders might have graded this "in a hurry", as if the graders don't always give their best effort. They may disagree with you, me, and each other, but I don't think any of them half-arse it by being "in a hurry." Just my opinion on the matter.

It is also important to note, once again, that we are talking about the difference between "NM" and "NM+"...or, even "NM-."

Quite a bit different from the bad old days.

Edited September 17, 2018 by RockMyAmadeus

[RockMyAmadeus]

On 9/15/2018 at 7:37 PM, smileLP said:

paid a 9.6 price!  

 

2 hours ago, smileLP said:

i bought it at a 9.4'ish price

 

That's a mighty big spread.

[faster friends]

I have seen plenty of 9.6's like that.

[Logan510]

There's always another sucker who'll buy a book, but maybe not at that high of an asking price 

[Bomber-Bob]

27 minutes ago, faster friends said:

I have seen plenty of 9.6's like that.

Did you buy them ?