JiM 114 Winnipeg copy 0

[Schmakt]

I bought a raw copy of JiM 114 off ebay a few months ago as a VF+ with no indication of Pedigree...

Just got the book back from CGC last week as a VF- (certainly within the comfort level for a raw ebay purchase), but it also noted that this was the Winnipeg copy...

 

Does anyone here know for sure whether there *is* a copy of 114 in Winnipeg (more than one?) or, even better, does anyone *own* a Winnipeg copy of 114?

I really have my doubts about this one and don't relish the idea of muddying up the Pedigree waters if I can help it.

I *think* something may have happened in this shipment as I also had a 121 that *is* part of the Winnipeg collection on the same invoice.  I have a feeling maybe there was some overlap especially since the 121 has the signature and 114 does not... any thoughts?  Thanks!

[Straw-Man]

lots of them have no markings on f.c.   I don't know what else they use to assign the ped, but they sure do it alot.

[Straw-Man]

[Schmakt]

Wow.  So I go the grade I should have given ebay grading is not CGC and just lucked out on the Pedigree?

How is it that we, as a community, don't have a quick reference guide for identifying Pedigrees outside of the obvious markings?  Or have I just not been able to find it?  Would love to know what I need to be looking for... not least of all to restore my faith in CGC Pedigree labels. (a few months prior I had a Pedigree mismatch on 2 copies of E-Man #1)

The comicpedigrees site is nice, but it doesn't give details on identification... 

Wish we had a comprehensive list (with scans) of the collections at the time they were found...

[Schmakt]

oh.  And thank you for the replies

[namisgr]

The original owner stopped writing his name at the top of the front cover of the Winnipeg books some time around the end of 1965.

I don't see any distinguishing mark to suggest your copy of JIM #114 belongs to the Winnipeg pedigree, and it's missing the signature during a time when it should be expected to carry one.  I still have a copy of the Showcase New England catalog for winter, 1997 when the Winnipeg collection was first brought to market.  With the caveat that many of the Winnipeg books were a bit overgraded, the JIM #114 was sold as a NM book, a grade even SNE would be highly unlikely to give a book with as many spine stress lines and dinged corners as your copy. 

This information suggests that CGC most likely mislabeled your copy.

 

Edited November 12, 2018 by namisgr

[Schmakt]

6 hours ago, namisgr said:

The original owner stopped writing his name at the top of the front cover of the Winnipeg books some time around the end of 1965.

I don't see any distinguishing mark to suggest your copy of JIM #114 belongs to the Winnipeg pedigree, and it's missing the signature during a time when it should be expected to carry one.  I still have a copy of the Showcase New England catalog for winter, 1997 when the Winnipeg collection was first brought to market.  With the caveat that many of the Winnipeg books were a bit overgraded, the JIM #114 was sold as a NM book, a grade even SNE would be highly unlikely to give a book with as many spine stress lines and dinged corners as your copy. 

This information suggests that CGC most likely mislabeled your copy.

 

Ah, yes, thanks... that's the info I was actually expecting to hear... the lack of signature on this, 7 months prior to the signed 121, really seemed off. I may try resubmitting on an invoice that doesn't have a Peg copy and see what happens. Thanks again

[rob_react]

17 hours ago, namisgr said:

The original owner stopped writing his name at the top of the front cover of the Winnipeg books some time around the end of 1965.

I don't see any distinguishing mark to suggest your copy of JIM #114 belongs to the Winnipeg pedigree, and it's missing the signature during a time when it should be expected to carry one.  I still have a copy of the Showcase New England catalog for winter, 1997 when the Winnipeg collection was first brought to market.  With the caveat that many of the Winnipeg books were a bit overgraded, the JIM #114 was sold as a NM book, a grade even SNE would be highly unlikely to give a book with as many spine stress lines and dinged corners as your copy. 

This information suggests that CGC most likely mislabeled your copy.

 

Do you have a digital copy of that catalog? 

[namisgr]

12 minutes ago, rob_react said:

Do you have a digital copy of that catalog? 

No.  It's something like 30 pages, but if there's a particular title that interests you, say the Daredevil Winnipegs, I could scan and post it on the Boards.

[rob_react]

20 minutes ago, namisgr said:

No.  It's something like 30 pages, but if there's a particular title that interests you, say the Daredevil Winnipegs, I could scan and post it on the Boards.

Ah, bummer. I'm trying to collect, archive and make public as much of that material as I can, so it's more than just my personal titles.