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1st Smurfs 1958 (yes 1958) Spirou 1071/1072 Club
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Don't think they ever did. Different universe.

Gargamel first appeared in the Black Smurf (or Purple for the politically-correct US audience) in Spirou 1107.

That appearance is in the mini-comic (to be cut and assembled) in the centerfold.

Almost impossible to get in any good grade with the centerfold still attached and back cover uncut (they had the lovely idea of putting the mini-comic cover on the back cover...)

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Marsupilami only appeared in the 'Spirou et Fantasio' stories (Spirou is the bell boy seen on the cover of 720) so he never met the Smurfs. Marsu Productions bought the Marsupilami rights and his first standalone story appeared in 1987, he briefly returned to Dupuis in 2016.

The first Gargamel is Spirou 1130 I believe, in the second mini-comic 'Le voleur des schtroumpfs'.

Just checked the census and the new labels show whether the magazine is French or Belgian.
I wonder if my re-encapsulation labels will show this difference.

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On 6/18/2019 at 5:21 PM, Frederic9494 said:

for the politically-correct US audience

Marsupilami had the same kind of issues.
Following the Smurfs succes Dupuis decided to make an animated tv-show for Marsupilami, they didn't even bother to tell Franquin about this plans, and he wasn't too happy with the results. At the time Ronald Reagan was in conflict with the country of Nicaragua, making it difficult to represent white people as evil in a Latin American country. They had to remove the dots on his tail to make animation easier. I've never seen this show, but after watching some Youtube clips one could conclude they really butchered the character. Marsupilami can't talk for example, he only imitates the sounds he hears.

In 2000 the show was redone by Marsu Productions itself and they did a much better job staying true to the character.
And in 2012 Marsupilami had his own live-action movie: 'Sur la Piste du Marsupilami':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1x9TsBXSY4

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CGC Census - Search Results

Title Spirou
Issue No. 1071
Issue Date October 23, 1958
Year 1958
Publisher Editions Dupuis
Country Franco-Belgian
Key Comments First full appearance of Peyo's "The Smurfs"
Art Comments Andre Franquin, Eddy Paape, Maurice Tillieux,, Victor Hubinon & Pierre "Peyo" Culliford art
Country/Variant Franco-Belgian -
  Grade Universal Qualified Signature Series Restored
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  Total
Mint   10.0 0 0 0 0   0
Mint   9.9 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint/Mint   9.8 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint +   9.6 1 0 0 0   1
Near Mint   9.4 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint -   9.2 1 0 0 0   1
Very Fine/Near Mint   9.0 2 0 0 0   2
Very Fine +   8.5 1 0 0 0   1
Very Fine   8.0 2 0 0 0   2
Very Fine -   7.5 3 0 0 0   3
Fine/Very Fine   7.0 1 0 0 0   1
Fine +   6.5 1 0 0 0   1
Fine   6.0 4 0 0 0   4
Fine -   5.5 1 1 0 0   2
Very Good/Fine   5.0 1 0 0 0   1
Very Good +   4.5 2 0 0 0   2
Very Good   4.0 2 0 0 0   2
Very Good -   3.5 0 0 0 0   0
Good/Very Good   3.0 1 0 0 0   1
Good +   2.5 0 0 0 0   0
Good   2.0 0 0 0 0   0
Good -   1.8 0 0 0 0   0
Fair/Good   1.5 0 0 0 0   0
Fair   1.0 0 0 0 0   0
Poor   0.5 0 0 0 0   0
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  Total 23 1 0 0   24
Country/Variant Franco-Belgian - Belgian Edition
  Grade Universal Qualified Signature Series Restored
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  Total
Mint   10.0 0 0 0 0   0
Mint   9.9 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint/Mint   9.8 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint +   9.6 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint   9.4 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint -   9.2 0 0 0 0   0
Very Fine/Near Mint   9.0 0 0 0 0   0
Very Fine +   8.5 0 0 0 0   0
Very Fine   8.0 0 0 0 0   0
Very Fine -   7.5 1 0 0 0   1
Fine/Very Fine   7.0 1 0 0 0   1
Fine +   6.5 1 0 0 0   1
Fine   6.0 0 0 0 0   0
Fine -   5.5 0 0 0 0   0
Very Good/Fine   5.0 0 0 0 0   0
Very Good +   4.5 0 0 0 0   0
Very Good   4.0 0 0 0 0   0
Very Good -   3.5 0 0 0 0   0
Good/Very Good   3.0 0 0 0 0   0
Good +   2.5 0 0 0 0   0
Good   2.0 0 0 0 0   0
Good -   1.8 0 0 0 0   0
Fair/Good   1.5 0 0 0 0   0
Fair   1.0 0 0 0 0   0
Poor   0.5 0 0 0 0   0
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  Total 3 0 0 0   3
Country/Variant Franco-Belgian - French Edition
  Grade Universal Qualified Signature Series Restored
See Detail
  Total
Mint   10.0 0 0 0 0   0
Mint   9.9 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint/Mint   9.8 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint +   9.6 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint   9.4 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint -   9.2 0 0 0 0   0
Very Fine/Near Mint   9.0 0 0 0 0   0
Very Fine +   8.5 0 0 0 0   0
Very Fine   8.0 0 0 0 0   0
Very Fine -   7.5 0 0 0 0   0
Fine/Very Fine   7.0 0 0 0 0   0
Fine +   6.5 1 0 0 0   1
Fine   6.0 0 0 0 0   0
Fine -   5.5 0 0 0 0   0
Very Good/Fine   5.0 0 0 0 0   0
Very Good +   4.5 0 0 0 0   0
Very Good   4.0 0 0 0 0   0
Very Good -   3.5 0 0 0 0   0
Good/Very Good   3.0 0 0 0 0   0
Good +   2.5 0 0 0 0   0
Good   2.0 0 0 0 0   0
Good -   1.8 0 0 0 0   0
Fair/Good   1.5 0 0 0 0   0
Fair   1.0 0 0 0 0   0
Poor   0.5 0 0 0 0   0
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  Total 1 0 0 0   1
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CGC has now started separating the Spirou 1071 either as Belgian or French edition.  I guess the first 24 graded were not classified therefore their clumped into 24 graded without specifying if they are the French or Belgian edition

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Doesn't CGC take a picture of books they grade? Would be easy to reassign between French and Belgium editions and just use the revised classification...

Just to keep the Smurf love alive, a group pic! One more 1071 & 1072 are on their way :)

IMG_6861.jpg

It includes issue 1460 (first ever Smurfette appearance - with black hair at the begining of the story) and 1468 (first blonde Smurfette as we know her today after Papa Smurf did his magic...)

Been hoarding those 1460 & 1468 but it's very hard to find them in any good shape because of the thin glossy cover and more difficult to get them complete with the mini-story still attached at the centerfold. Sure there will be a market at some point for those.

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22 minutes ago, Frederic9494 said:

Doesn't CGC take a picture of books they grade? Would be easy to reassign between French and Belgium editions and just use the revised classification...

Just to keep the Smurf love alive, a group pic! One more 1071 & 1072 are on their way :)

IMG_6861.jpg

It includes issue 1460 (first ever Smurfette appearance - with black hair at the begining of the story) and 1468 (first blonde Smurfette as we know her today after Papa Smurf did his magic...)

Been hoarding those 1460 & 1468 but it's very hard to find them in any good shape because of the thin glossy cover and more difficult to get them complete with the mini-story still attached at the centerfold. Sure there will be a market at some point for those.

(worship)

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12 hours ago, Frederic9494 said:

Doesn't CGC take a picture of books they grade? Would be easy to reassign between French and Belgium editions and just use the revised classification...

Just to keep the Smurf love alive, a group pic! One more 1071 & 1072 are on their way :)

IMG_6861.jpg

It includes issue 1460 (first ever Smurfette appearance - with black hair at the begining of the story) and 1468 (first blonde Smurfette as we know her today after Papa Smurf did his magic...)

Been hoarding those 1460 & 1468 but it's very hard to find them in any good shape because of the thin glossy cover and more difficult to get them complete with the mini-story still attached at the centerfold. Sure there will be a market at some point for those.

Nice, I have a 1460 and 1468 on the way too, but didn't know about the mini story attachment, so fingers crossed :wishluck:

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Here's the mini story attachment in the middle of the Spirou 1460:

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And Spirou 1468:

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What's crazy is that some European collectors started to collect those mini-stories by themselves, hence it's not always easy to find Spirou with the attached mini story or other supplement like calendars or posters... Raises the bar in scarcity if you want a copy in high grade... and copies were quite randomly stapled along the spine so good luck in marrying a mini story with a comic book...

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I regret to inform you that one of your copies of Robbedoes #1072 was damaged during the pressing process. The spine of the book was very dry and somewhat brittle, and unfortunately the spine split open from top to bottom. Damages like this are not common, and I'm very sorry that it happened to your book.

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Yes, Robbedoes #1071 is considered the first appearance of the Smurfs. However, I believe we label the book as the Belgian Edition of Spirou, rather than giving it the title of Robbedoes.

:)

Sending in Robbedoes 1071 and 1072!
So glad I found another 1072 copy.

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Gnoe, your quote is from CGC? Can't they just look at examples of the 3 different variants French variant (Spirou), Belgium variant in French language (Spirou), Belgium variant in Flemish (Robbedoes)?

It's going to skew the whole stats for the Spirou Belgian variant if you pool in the Robbedoes... :eyeroll:

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