Bob Layton taking Co-Creator Credit for Iron Man? Gone too far in my opinion. 3 3

[Mystafo]

They're heeeere...

Poooost Ghoooosts!

[kav]

2 minutes ago, oakman29 said:

Layton knows that he really isn't the co creator, everyone else knows too.

I could say I'm the king of Atlantis, but would I be? No.

If you said you were the king of Atlantis, I would believe it.  

[kav]

-are you?

[Mystafo]

3 minutes ago, oakman29 said:

I could say I'm the king of Atlantis, but would I be? No.

Aw, but I've been telling the 2 people I know in real life that I'm on a comic board of which he's a member! 

[oakman29]

7 minutes ago, Mystafo said:

Aw, but I've been telling the 2 people I know in real life that I'm on a comic board of which he's a member! 

[kav]

could someone stick Oakmans head on arthur curry pls

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36 minutes ago, shadroch said:

how much recreating of a character does one have to do to get co-creator status? I'd argue whomever did Magnus and the Western heroes in the Valiant Universe have as much creator status as the 1960s writers.

I think it’s clear that you either created/co-created the character at it’s inception, or you didn’t.  Regardless if the chararacter originally took off or not, a successful reimagining or reboot or relaunch should never rate a creator credit.  

Edited December 31, 2018 by Oddball

[kav]

Just now, Oddball said:

I think it’s clear that you either created/co-created the character at it’s inception, or you didn’t.  Regardless if the chararacter originally took off or not. A successful reimagining or reboot or relaunch should never rate a creator credit.  

EVER.

New Magnus guys are NOT the creators.  Not even close.  Not even close to close.

[Comicdey]

25 minutes ago, kav said:

EVER.

New Magnus guys are NOT the creators.  Not even close.  Not even close to close.

^^^^

[kav]

2 minutes ago, Comicdey said:

^^^^

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[the blob]

34 minutes ago, Oddball said:

I think it’s clear that you either created/co-created the character at it’s inception, or you didn’t.  Regardless if the chararacter originally took off or not, a successful reimagining or reboot or relaunch should never rate a creator credit.  

"Iron Man co-invigorator"? "Iron Man co-enhancer?" "Iron Man co-breather some new life into a characterer?"  He had a good run on the book. When I think of iron man I think of his years on the book because they overlap with a chunk of my childhood. But iron man was pretty established well before then. Now maybe the book gets cancelled without his run? I have no idea. I kind of doubt it.

[kav]

Just now, the blob said:

"Iron Man co-invigorator"? "Iron Man co-enhancer?" "Iron Man co-breather some new life into a characterer?"  He had a good run on the book. When I think of iron man I think of his years on the book because they overlap with a chunk of my childhood. But iron man was pretty established well before then. Now maybe the book gets cancelled without his run? I have no idea. I kind of doubt it.

didnt he just mainly ink tho?

[Ken Aldred]

7 minutes ago, kav said:

didnt he just mainly ink tho?

He did do some of the story plotting with David Michelinie.

[kav]

1 minute ago, Ken Aldred said:

He did do some of the story plotting with David Michelinie.

Ok.  Well, unless he helped plot or draw the first ever appearance, he's not a co creator by any stretch.

[Ken Aldred]

As far as the films are concerned, I thought that most of the armour designs resembled Adi Granov's work rather than Layton's.

The Silver Centurion red-and-silver scheme was used in the Iron Man 2 fight at the racetrack with Whiplash, but the armour was much sleeker than Layton's bulkier-looking 1980's original.

Edited December 31, 2018 by Ken Aldred

[Buzzetta]

4 hours ago, shadroch said:

Who would you say was the creator of Groot? Was it the guy back in 1962 who did a throw away storyline or does whomever reimagined him in the 1990s get any credit?  I'm not defending Layton but how much recreating of a character does one have to do to get co-creator status? I'd argue whomever did Magnus and the Western heroes in the Valiant Universe have as much creator status as the 1960s writers.

That's a great question and one that definitely deserves consideration. 

I guess you would take it as a case by case example. 

Groot - Original Character would be the 62' Creative team. However the Guardians of the Galaxy version is so far removed from that 1962 character that it can be considered a new creation.  62 Groot speaks while New Groot just says, "I am Groot" along with many other variances in abilities and characteristics with antagonist to protagonist among others. The core characteristics of the character have changed from 62 to current. 

Magnus Robot Fighter.  I would disagree with you there.  I have read all three incarnations from the Dell / Western, Valiant / Acclaim, and Dynamite series.  At the end of the day Magnus retains his core traits across all three incarnations.  He is a hero in the future who was raised by robots and now fights rogue robots to save humanity.  Valiant changed the origin story a bit as him being born of Harbingers and then thrusting him into the future but Magnus (at least in my eyes) retains the essentials that maintain the core character unlike Groot. 

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Buzzetta

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1 hour ago, Ken Aldred said:

As far as the films are concerned, I thought that most of the armour designs resembled Adi Granov's work rather than Layton's.

The Silver Centurion red-and-silver scheme was used in the Iron Man 2 fight at the racetrack with Whiplash, but the armour was much sleeker than Layton's bulkier-looking 1980's original.

Regarding the Silver Centurion armor, I don't believe Layton had his hand in that one at all.  I could be wrong. Mark Bright drew Iron Man #200. 

[Ken Aldred]

30 minutes ago, Oddball said:

Regarding the Silver Centurion armor, I don't believe Layton had his hand in that one at all.  I could be wrong. Mark Bright drew Iron Man #200. 

Good point.  I only picked the title up again in the late 80s with Armor Wars (issue 225) and didn't backtrack from there.  

It's the armour that I most associate with Layton.

Edited December 31, 2018 by Ken Aldred

[Prince Namor]

Layton had a strong following, but he never reached the superstar status of JB or Perez, and certainly never got close to the rock star status of Liefeld, McFarlane, Lee... nowadays he probably doesn't get much in the way of regular comic book work. Sounds like he's getting a bit desperate for attention.

Not sure what Layton's commissions look like, but JB's are fantastic - better than the work he does on commercial projects - and he has his own network to sell and communicate to his fans (his website) - he's set himself up nicely so he doesn't have to slog around to conventions all over North America, where it's hit and miss in sales. Maybe Layton should look into something like this instead of going down whatever weird path he's headed...

[mattn792]

10 hours ago, the blob said:

"Iron Man co-invigorator"? "Iron Man co-enhancer?" "Iron Man co-breather some new life into a characterer?"  He had a good run on the book. When I think of iron man I think of his years on the book because they overlap with a chunk of my childhood. But iron man was pretty established well before then. Now maybe the book gets cancelled without his run? I have no idea. I kind of doubt it.

 Bob Layton - Iron Man viagra!