HuddyBee Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, kav said: In reality creators ARE free to charge whatever they want and no amount of complaining has any effect whatsoever. Anyone who disagrees w/ this just needs to learn some basic economics and realize America is capitalist, and not Communist/Socialist. kav and Jonathan78 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, jsilverjanet said: 20 minutes ago, 1Cool said: Didn't this argument run its course 3 months ago or 6 months before that? yes and it makes me wonder why the thread was created and posted here in CG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, kav said: On the one hand we have the side that says creators should be able to charge whatever they want. MORE FOR A SIGNATURE THAT WILL BE IN A CGC SLAB On the other we have the side that says no they shouldnt because- Thats the whole thing in a nutshell. In reality creators ARE free to charge whatever they want and no amount of complaining has any effect whatsoever. The end. This is the argument. It's been corrected to you before but you don't seem to grasp that part. No one is saying creators shouldn't charge for a signature. They can, what some of us believe is that signatures for CGC should not cost more. RockMyAmadeus, MR SigS and fullerjason 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said: 20 minutes ago, kav said: On the one hand we have the side that says creators should be able to charge whatever they want. MORE FOR A SIGNATURE THAT WILL BE IN A CGC SLAB On the other we have the side that says no they shouldnt because- Thats the whole thing in a nutshell. In reality creators ARE free to charge whatever they want and no amount of complaining has any effect whatsoever. The end. This is the argument. It's been corrected to you before but you don't seem to grasp that part. No one is saying creators shouldn't charge for a signature. They can, what some of us believe is that signatures for CGC should not cost more. Doesnt 'whatever they want' include 'more for a slab', tho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Also if I were CGC and this was taking place, I'd follow up with creators as this impacts their business. two years ago in SDCC I have about 20-25 Campbell books for sigs. When I found out what his premium was now for CGC I opted out of getting 20 of those books graded and only had 5. I'm sure as the cost of getting a book SS by CGC goes up because of these premiums the less likely a fan or flipper will submit books their books to CGC, hitting their bottom line The upside is those already graded will be less, increasing their value and eventually leading the creator to charge even more MR SigS and RockMyAmadeus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, kav said: Doesnt 'whatever they want' include 'more for a slab', tho? it does but I think context is important. The devil is in the details. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, jsilverjanet said: it does but I think context is important. The devil is in the details. Ok well thx for the fine tuning. What you posted is what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastaar Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I'd pay $100 for a legit Ditko on a Ditko Spidey comic. kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said: Also if I were CGC and this was taking place, I'd follow up with creators as this impacts their business. two years ago in SDCC I have about 20-25 Campbell books for sigs. When I found out what his premium was now for CGC I opted out of getting 20 of those books graded and only had 5. I'm sure as the cost of getting a book SS by CGC goes up because of these premiums the less likely a fan or flipper will submit books their books to CGC, hitting their bottom line The upside is those already graded will be less, increasing their value and eventually leading the creator to charge even more That shortbox I mentioned earlier is 97% junk, even if high grade. If those books get signed, CGC grades them. If they don't get signed, CGC will never see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastaar Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I'd pay top dollar for a Bob Kane signature done by Shelly Moldoff. Ken Aldred 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 The appeal to 'you're losing business if you dont do things cheaper' has never been particularly effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentbryan Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Blastaar said: I'd pay $100 for a legit Ditko on a Ditko Spidey comic. Not mine but I thought it was a humorous response to you 😇 Edited February 26, 2019 by bentbryan Blastaar and FoggyNelson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blob Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, kav said: The appeal to 'you're losing business if you dont do things cheaper' has never been particularly effective. If CGC wants to get involved and price cap SS signatures they can go give it a shot given that they can presumably control the process. But I suspect they don't want to get involved with this. kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, bentbryan said: Not mine but I thought it was a humorous response to you 😇 Dear Steve: Nowhere is it written if you do something for one person you have to do it for everyone. Women do not go on dates with anyone just because they went on date with one guy. 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Isn't the "make offer" option an appeal to "do things cheaper"...? Isn't "I'll buy this for $375, but not $450" mean that you have a sale at $375, but nothing if you insist on $450...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, the blob said: If CGC wants to get involved and price cap SS signatures they can go give it a shot given that they can presumably control the process. But I suspect they don't want to get involved with this. That's not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blob Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, RockMyAmadeus said: That's not the answer. The answer is for folks to not pay the premium for the SS books and then these folks may adjust the prices when they realize they are not selling as many sigs unless you plan on getting your state's Attorney General involved because you think this is discriminatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 If someone says they'll sign your books for $20 or best offer then you have a point. Otherwise not. FoggyNelson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said: This is the argument. It's been corrected to you before but you don't seem to grasp that part. No one is saying creators shouldn't charge for a signature. They can, what some of us believe is that signatures for CGC should not cost more. IF the creator wants a piece of the aftermarket reseller pie, why shouldn't they surcharge the most likely customer participating in that aftermarket while continuing to sign raws or books for kids for less? If creators are charging more than their CGC collecting fanbase is willing to pay then that is because the aftermarket books aren't performing to whatever number lines up to the acquisition costs. "I won't get any of them signed & CGC won't get business because of it" isn't relevant to the raw vs. CGC signature cost variance. Edited February 26, 2019 by bababooey kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, kav said: Dear Steve: Nowhere is it written if you do something for one person you have to do it for everyone. Women do not go on dates with anyone just because they went on date with one guy. Dear kav: Be honest, that one guy was never you, was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
