How do you store your slabs? 1 1

[joeypost]

19 hours ago, newshane said:

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: I will believe this theory when I see evidence. 

All I've seen to date are anecdotes and speculation. 

That being said, there is nothing wrong with storing spine-down. 

I see this from time to time. Next time a book with damage from storage comes across my desk I will post scans. 

The recommendation also came from Eric (who no longer works at CGC), I would like to see it come from someone higher up like Paul or Matt.

Edited April 4, 2019 by joeypost

[Immortal Hulk]

On 4/4/2019 at 8:35 AM, joeypost said:

I see this from time to time. Next time a book with damage from storage comes across my desk I will post scans. 

The recommendation also came from Eric (who no longer works at CGC), I would like to see it come from someone higher up like Paul or Matt.

From a business perspective, I don't think it would behoove anyone from CGC to ever say, a comic while in a slab could be damaged further in a vertical position - regardless of age, etc..

[Silver_Couch_Surfer]

What cheap frames do you guys recommend that can fit a slab printed close to 12 3/4 X 8 1/4?

[ExNihilo]

18 minutes ago, Ovrclck said:

What cheap frames do you guys recommend that can fit a slab printed close to 12 3/4 X 8 1/4?

Maybe this with a mat?

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40295665/

[Silver_Couch_Surfer]

1 hour ago, ExNihilo said:

Maybe this with a mat?

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40295665/

Hmm that might be too huge for my taste. 

I'm heading out to Michaels later today.We will see! 

Edited April 6, 2019 by Ovrclck

[jas1vans]

I store both of my slabs in the safest place in the house...

[The Lions Den]

On 4/4/2019 at 8:35 AM, joeypost said:

I see this from time to time. Next time a book with damage from storage comes across my desk I will post scans. 

The recommendation also came from Eric (who no longer works at CGC), I would like to see it come from someone higher up like Paul or Matt.

As far as I know, Eric Downton never worked in the grading or encapsulation room, and he wasn't a restoration specialist, either. With that said, I still store my books vertically and I periodically check them for any signs of damage. So far, I see no change in their condition, but my books are all sealed very securely and already rest on the bottom edge of the inner well. If I ever see any change in their condition, I'll be sure to let you know...  

[Venom2099]

On 3/13/2019 at 11:13 PM, BladeTX said:

This is a picture of someone's prized Hulk 181 CGC 9.8 after 3 years in a Sentry Safe Fireproof safe.   He did not check on it.  So I got my books out of there as fast as I could (they were in there about a year, no noticeable damage that I can see).  Some sort of chemical reaction with the staple through the slab.  The seller tells the story in an 11 page thread, eventually buying a cheap 181 to have authentic staples, had them replaced but had to live with a green label 9.8 after that.   Brings tears to my eyes...

I was told that replacing the staple from a book from the same era does not count as restoration am I wrong?

[BladeTX]

1 hour ago, Venom2099 said:

I was told that replacing the staple from a book from the same era does not count as restoration am I wrong?

Partially right.  It does not come back as Purple label restored.   It's in the thread on the risks of Fireproof safes.  The collector purchased a beat up copy of the exact same comic and had the staples professionally swapped.  Came back CGC Green Label 9.8.   So a qualified book but in his case not restored.  Still a big hit versus 9.8 Universal

[BladeTX]

On ‎4‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 4:16 PM, jas1vans said:

I store both of my slabs in the safest place in the house...

Doesn't it get hot and cold up there???

[Sensei Ryan]

2 hours ago, BladeTX said:

Doesn't it get hot and cold up there???

I'm sure he's kidding around  at least I hope so!  But it is a safe place soooo....

[jas1vans]

@BladeTX It's in a cool, dry basement with a humidifier. I don't really keep them in the ceiling.

 

These were throw ins with a couple small collections I picked up last year, no real attachment. The only other two I own; one has NRs (not that appealing), the other cracked in shipping. Once I learn a little more about grading I might store/display them in a nicer fashion.

[dfx1]

On 3/18/2019 at 8:05 PM, Immortal Hulk said:

The BCE 238 bags came in and I found them better than the BCW Mylars. I liked the following about them better:

1. I could pull the flap down and not have extra Mylar I have to fold over from the body over the slab, like the BCWs.
2. In the BCW Storage Bin, it actually fits smoother when inserting the bagged slab and removing.
3. The Mylar is still strong but somewhat slightly more pliable in a smooth way then the BCW, feels nicer.

I have attached a picture so you can see, it still does have the "batman ears" on the top corners which I find funny. The slabs both look equally stunning from the Mylar material.

I have ordered an Acrylic Stand from CGA and the Resealable Mylars by Diamond.. I'll let you know how those two pan out, more to come.

 

 

On 4/30/2019 at 7:03 PM, picon3 said:

I've been buying Bill Cole products for as long as I can remember and when I went to order catalog item #238 (fits current CGC slabs) they were completely out of everything.  https://www.bcemylar.com/graded_comics.cfm

Can anyone recommend something similiar (I like the Mylar, but am open to other products)?

Thanks,

Paul~

 

[newshane]

On 4/17/2019 at 10:03 AM, Venom2099 said:

I was told that replacing the staple from a book from the same era does not count as restoration am I wrong?

It should get a conserved label (grey/blue). 

[newshane]

On 4/17/2019 at 11:15 AM, BladeTX said:

Partially right.  It does not come back as Purple label restored.   It's in the thread on the risks of Fireproof safes.  The collector purchased a beat up copy of the exact same comic and had the staples professionally swapped.  Came back CGC Green Label 9.8.   So a qualified book but in his case not restored.  Still a big hit versus 9.8 Universal

That was probably before the CGC introduced the "conserved" label. 

[Finhead]

5 hours ago, newshane said:

That was probably before the CGC introduced the "conserved" label. 

I thought Conserved was only for GA and maybe SA? I have never seen a bronze or new in a conserved case but I don't look for CGC books a lot (like raw SA) so could be wrong.

[newshane]

4 minutes ago, Finhead said:

I thought Conserved was only for GA and maybe SA? I have never seen a bronze or new in a conserved case but I don't look for CGC books a lot (like raw SA) so could be wrong.

They don't base it on the age of the book. That would be a slippery slope. Where, exactly, does the silver and bronze age meet? You'll get different answers depending on whom you ask. 

The reason you don't often see bronze or newer in conserved cases is because the conservation process is reserved for books that are deteriorating from age or environmental exposure. Conservation is used to halt or slow that process. Rusty staples and the resultant migration into the paper is a perfect example of a problem that can be solved by conservation techniques. 

Most bronze, copper, and modern books haven't had enough time to deteriorate. In the case of the Hulk book, the rust was greatly accelerated by the storage conditions. 

I'm quite certain that the book would get a grey/blue conservation label if it were resubbed. If I'm wrong, I guess I have a lot to learn. 

[Finhead]

14 minutes ago, newshane said:

They don't base it on the age of the book. That would be a slippery slope. Where, exactly, does the silver and bronze age meet? You'll get different answers depending on whom you ask. 

The reason you don't often see bronze or newer in conserved cases is because the conservation process is reserved for books that are deteriorating from age or environmental exposure. Conservation is used to halt or slow that process. Rusty staples and the resultant migration into the paper is a perfect example of a problem that can be solved by conservation techniques. 

Most bronze, copper, and modern books haven't had enough time to deteriorate. In the case of the Hulk book, the rust was greatly accelerated by the storage conditions. 

I'm quite certain that the book would get a grey/blue conservation label if it were resubbed. If I'm wrong, I guess I have a lot to learn. 

I'm almost 100% it would get a green label and not a conserved grade. I have never seen anything other than a GA or SA book in a conserved case. But like I say maybe I'm wrong, have you seen one? I just did a quick google search all GA and SA as far as I see.

[newshane]

36 minutes ago, Finhead said:

I'm almost 100% it would get a green label and not a conserved grade. I have never seen anything other than a GA or SA book in a conserved case. But like I say maybe I'm wrong, have you seen one? I just did a quick google search all GA and SA as far as I see.

I will let you decide for yourself. 

From the CGC website:

Conserved label: This label is applied to any comic book with specific repairs done to improve the structural integrity and long-term preservation. These repairs include tear seals support, staple replacement, piece reattachment and certain kinds of cleaning.

Here is a conserved book from 1992: 

 

 

LINK TO LABEL EXPLANATIONS

Edited May 4, 2019 by newshane

[newshane]

It's also important to keep in mind that the CGC has only awarded this label for a couple of years. That Hulk debacle is old news...happened way before these labels were awarded.