Why is NYX More valuable than... 1 1

[RockMyAmadeus]

1 hour ago, Corona smith said:

On 3/16/2019 at 10:14 AM, RockMyAmadeus said:

Oddly enough, those numbers reflect total extant copies to a degree. New Mutants was both printed and sold in much higher numbers than NYX #3. There are perhaps 5 times or more copies of New Mutants #98 extant than NYX #3. Cap City orders for New Mutants #98 was 52k, back when Cap City was roughly 30% of the Direct market. Diamond's sales for NYX #3 was 40k, when Diamond was the only distributor to the Direct market, and there is no newsstand version.

Can you say for certain there’s no NYX 3? Marvel stopped in 2014 do unless I’m missing something it’s possible. 

Yes.

https://www.cbr.com/marvels-new-ratings-system-explained/

"Parental Advisory: Explicit Content: This will be very important part of Marvel as we move forward and explore new territory. These comics, falling under our new MAX Comics banner, will contain what you'd experience in an R rated movie. Some harsh language, intense violence, perhaps even some partial nudity. To avoid confusion, the MAX titles will be designed to look very different from our mainline Marvel titles. They will not carry a Marvel logo on their covers, they will not be sold on the newsstand, and they will not be marketed to younger readers."

While Marvel was inconsistent in their labeling (to put it mildly), NYX was a "mature content" title, and was not distributed to the newsstand.

[Corona smith]

Thanks for the information. That’s going to save me a lot of time.  

[Corona smith]

8 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Yes.

https://www.cbr.com/marvels-new-ratings-system-explained/

"Parental Advisory: Explicit Content: This will be very important part of Marvel as we move forward and explore new territory. These comics, falling under our new MAX Comics banner, will contain what you'd experience in an R rated movie. Some harsh language, intense violence, perhaps even some partial nudity. To avoid confusion, the MAX titles will be designed to look very different from our mainline Marvel titles. They will not carry a Marvel logo on their covers, they will not be sold on the newsstand, and they will not be marketed to younger readers."

While Marvel was inconsistent in their labeling (to put it mildly), NYX was a "mature content" title, and was not distributed to the newsstand.

Article is wrong. It specifically references the Marvel Max titles, when they started that line of books. War Machine & Alias being two of them. Searching around I found this which is a marvel max with the parental advisory explicit content  from the same time period. 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2019 by Corona smith

[RockMyAmadeus]

5 hours ago, Corona smith said:

13 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Yes.

https://www.cbr.com/marvels-new-ratings-system-explained/

"Parental Advisory: Explicit Content: This will be very important part of Marvel as we move forward and explore new territory. These comics, falling under our new MAX Comics banner, will contain what you'd experience in an R rated movie. Some harsh language, intense violence, perhaps even some partial nudity. To avoid confusion, the MAX titles will be designed to look very different from our mainline Marvel titles. They will not carry a Marvel logo on their covers, they will not be sold on the newsstand, and they will not be marketed to younger readers."

While Marvel was inconsistent in their labeling (to put it mildly), NYX was a "mature content" title, and was not distributed to the newsstand.

Article is wrong. It specifically references the Marvel Max titles, when they started that line of books. War Machine & Alias being two of them. Searching around I found this which is a marvel max with the parental advisory explicit content  from the same time period. 

My apologies that that wasn't as explanatory as it could have been. Yes, that is correct that the "Parental Advisory:Explicit Content" label at that time referred mostly to MAX titles. But here's the important part:

"While Marvel was inconsistent in their labeling (to put it mildly), NYX was a "mature content" title, and was not distributed to the newsstand."

Notice the statement from Bill Rosemann in the original press release: there's nothing in there about comics being labeled "mature content." When Marvel originally introduced their ratings system, the MPAA objected, and so Marvel changed it. A lot of the source material has long since vanished from the internet, but here's an article published at the time which explained the change (since changed, too):

https://ifanboy.com/articles/marvel-alters-ratings-system/

All Ages – 8+ years old
These titles, which will carry no cover label, are appropriate for readers of all ages.

Marvel PSR (“Parental Supervision Recommended”) – 12+ years old
Appropriate for most readers, but parents may want to read before or with younger children.

Marvel PSR+ – 15+ years old
Similar to Marvel PG, but featuring more mature themes and/or more graphic imagery. Recommended for teen and adult readers.

Parental Advisory/Explicit Content – 18+ years old
May contain content similar to an R-rated movie (harsh language, graphic violence, mature themes, nudity). Most will fall under the MAX Comics banner, while some may include Epic titles, and all will be designed to appear distinct from mainstream Marvel titles with prominent “Parental Advisory/Explicit Content” labeling. They will not be sold on newsstands, nor targeted at younger readers.

Notice the inconsistency: there's still nothing mentioning a "mature content" label which appears on the cover of NYX #3 (and #4-7.) The above is the ratings system that was in effect at the time NYX was being published. Notice that it says "Most will fall under the MAX comics banner"...meaning not all would.

As well, no one at Marvel could figure out how NYX should be labeled. Issue #1 is labeled PSR+, as are issues #2-5, but there's no other label on #1, issue #2 has PSR+ and "some mature content", #3-5 have both PSR+ and "mature content", and #6 and #7 ditch the "PSR+" entirely, but include "mature content" and "parental advisory."

Finally....by this point in time, mini-series at Marvel were generally not being distributed to the newsstands at all.

The takeaway is that NYX was a mature title, and wouldn't, per Marvel guidelines then in effect, be distributed to the newsstands.

Edited October 20, 2019 by RockMyAmadeus

[Kaens]

According to Comichron, only 40k copies of Nyx #3 were printed. Various speculations on NM #98 print run put it around 250-300k based on the average print runs of that title in that year. That pretty much sums up why it's more valuable right there. As others have pointed out, how many people have graded doesn't clearly indicate supply since you don't know how many people have no intention of selling it or keeping it in PC. How many are for sale at any given time is a much better indicator.