Heritage May 16 - 18 Comic Art Signature Auction - Chicago 3 3

[Nexus]

2 minutes ago, Brian Peck said:

$18K for Bloom County Sunday "Bill the Cat" First Appearance

Really shocked it met reserve, that 5-6x what a Bloom County strip goes for. Not alot of the originals out there, though Berke Breathed did recently sell a bunch.

Actually, I disagree...there are a LOT of BC strips out there. I would be surprised if Breathed has more originals in his possession than not.

OTOH, I was also surprised this met reserve, considering it's been available for years. Great example, but also the equivalent of the AMERICAN FLAGG #1 cover in terms of strip art.

[vodou]

1 hour ago, Bronty said:

at the end of the day you are still giving your wealth away

Always. You can't take it with you, cash or art. That's a given unless you are Jesus or Methuselah

But with museum, to your point, you get the advantage of ego massage. Everything else is roughly equal at the end of the day.

[vodou]

40 minutes ago, The Cimmerians Purse said:

when you say based on her face, do you mean because of the changes to her face that Frazetta made?

No. The auctioneer's face

[vodou]

37 minutes ago, Bronty said:

What is Star Wars if not an epic power fantasy?

Question: How long before these are all rebooted with Leia in the lead and "not" white?

[Bronty]

Omg

[vodou]

28 minutes ago, The Cimmerians Purse said:

I wonder how much of a hit the racist porn scandal was on the final price of EQ? I bet that sale took a hit on it. Potentially drove away some buyers.

Easier to argue that it was a product of the times, with out that strong evidence of how he thought personally.

Oh gosh...there's so much more to this story than what's "out there" regarding those couple of pieces from Doc Dave's collection...

And I say, ZERO HIT to price. You either care or you don't. I don't and I think $4.5m doesn't either. What's obvious is there are zero other $4.5m hands in this game. Pre-reserve-reveal-action stalled around 2.5m, right? I think that's about as deep as the pockets we all know and love go. If that. Surely plenty of thrill bids in this.

[Bronty]

30 minutes ago, The Cimmerians Purse said:

I wonder how much of a hit the racist porn scandal was on the final price of EQ? I bet that sale took a hit on it. Potentially drove away some buyers.

Easier to argue that it was a product of the times, with out that strong evidence of how he thought personally.

Judging the art on the artist is a slippery slope.   

Judging the artist on sexual proclivities or interest is a slippery slope too.

combine the two and we might as well be sliding downhill 

[Brian Peck]

5 minutes ago, Nexus said:

Actually, I disagree...there are a LOT of BC strips out there. I would be surprised if Breathed has more originals in his possession than not.

OTOH, I was also surprised this met reserve, considering it's been available for years. Great example, but also the equivalent of the AMERICAN FLAGG #1 cover in terms of strip art.

I have to disagree with your disagree. There is about 45 Dailys and 6 Sundays in CAF galleries plus two dozen for sale by dealers (all Donnelleys). But he drew the series for almost 10 years even taking of some time and having reprints he did around 500 Sundays and 3000 dailies. I know some are in black holes but Breathed still has to have more. I have been looking for a good Cutter John but see very few out there.

[PhilipB2k17]

4 hours ago, delekkerste said:

[delekkerste]

54 minutes ago, Bronty said:

What is Star Wars if not an epic power fantasy?     If we are at the point where a pair of knockers causes outrage over anything and everything else then that's truly pathetic and weak minded and eventually the pendulum will swing back.

It goes far, far, far beyond puritanical considerations. Anyone who's watched the last few Star Wars films knows that everyone involved in the franchise has made painstaking efforts to promote inclusivity/diversity and transform gender roles. 

More broadly speaking, few are concerned about how past art, literature and culture might be reevaluated in light of changing societal norms. This isn't just a pendulum that is going to swing back.  

[PhilipB2k17]

3 hours ago, Nexus said:

Nope, nothing wrong with that at all. We all like what we like, want what we want. But what is goal of the museum? To simply reflect Lucas' tastes or to educate masses on "narrative art"? I realize it's not either/or, but IF they did acquire EQ, then that balance is tilted far one way. Whatever the case, still can't wait for it to open!

How is EQ "narrative" art, anyway? It's a static one panel painting? 

[PhilipB2k17]

11 minutes ago, delekkerste said:

It goes far, far, far beyond puritanical considerations. Anyone who's watched the last few Star Wars films knows that everyone involved in the franchise has made painstaking efforts to promote inclusivity/diversity and transform gender roles. 

More broadly speaking, few are concerned about how past art, literature and culture might be reevaluated in light of changing societal norms. This isn't just a pendulum that is going to swing back.  

The "swinging pendulum" metaphor when discussing changing gender roles. 

Edited May 17, 2019 by PhilipB2k17

[Bronty]

15 minutes ago, delekkerste said:

It goes far, far, far beyond puritanical considerations. Anyone who's watched the last few Star Wars films knows that everyone involved in the franchise has made painstaking efforts to promote inclusivity/diversity and transform gender roles. 

More broadly speaking, few are concerned about how past art, literature and culture might be reevaluated in light of changing societal norms. This isn't just a pendulum that is going to swing back.  

I wasn’t suggesting it was puritanical.   I was referring to identity politics outrage

And don’t take my pendulum hope away, I’ll have nothing left

Edited May 17, 2019 by Bronty

[vodou]

13 minutes ago, delekkerste said:

This isn't just a pendulum that is going to swing back.  

Disagree. But it might not until we're all too old to care or dead-o. Couple (20x2) of generations to go, minimum.

[Sideshow Bob]

Just saw the Bernie Wrightson scene from Cycle of the Werewolf was withdrawn from Saturday's Day 3 internet-only auction. Probably because it would be the next-to-last lot on the last day, its not much of an action piece (clouds...), and the consignor wanted better placement in the auction. If you know who consigned it, let me know! I was looking forward to bidding on it! 

Bob

Edited May 17, 2019 by Sideshow Bob

[Bronty]

17 minutes ago, vodou said:

Disagree. But it might not until we're all too old to care or dead-o. Couple (20x2) of generations to go, minimum.

The narratives of lobby groups are not (always) reflective of the truth.  The truth will win out in time.   In our hearts we all know what’s BS and what isn’t.   And saying a woman (or a man for that matter) with a ‘come hither’ look is offensive is BS.   Sometimes people have sex and sometimes they use that look.   So what.   That's no indication of victim and oppressed.

Edited May 17, 2019 by Bronty

[pemart1966]

1 hour ago, Brian Peck said:

Today's HA auction has started with a number of Murphy Anderson stories, including Showcase #60 which ended at $90K for 8 pages part one, $66K for part two (10 pages) and $50K for part three (6 pages). Pretty good prices especially for part one with $11250 a page.

It's all a matter of perspective - from mine, there goes any hope of me getting a "broken up" page at a reasonable price 

[comix4fun]

1 hour ago, Brian Peck said:

Last Pre-CrisisSuperman #423 cover by Swan and Anderson ended at $52,800.

One of the greatest Superman stories of all time....ended right around where I thought it would. There was a chance to push up to $60k, but I always thought the floor was around $50k. 

[vodou]

13 minutes ago, Bronty said:

The narratives of lobby groups are not (always) reflective of the truth.  The truth will win out in time.   In our hearts we all know what’s BS and what isn’t.   And saying a woman (or a man for that matter) with a ‘come hither’ look is offensive is BS.   Sometimes people have sex and sometimes they use that look.   So what.   That's no indication of victim and oppressed.

You and I and everybody else that in their forties around here can agree on this, but...are you asking any teens and twenty-somethings? My sister-in-law is 27 and lemme tell you, she and her friends are absolutely of one-mind: what Gene posted and what Glen Gold previously posted. I've met enough of them now to know it's a 'thing' (as they are wont to say!) not just CNN/MSNBC propaganda.

[The Cimmerians Purse]

34 minutes ago, Bronty said:

Judging the art on the artist is a slippery slope.   

Judging the artist on sexual proclivities or interest is a slippery slope too.

combine the two and we might as well be sliding downhill 

Yes, for most things I agree. But for high profile purchases like EQ... maybe it matters. 

Maybe some organization that was making a decision of whether to display it publicly might say to themselves that they don’t want to touch it with a 50 foot pole now, because of that revelation. As we economists say it could affect the person who is on the margin. 

super rich frazetta fan boy doesn’t care, but Lucas Museum probably weighed it into their calculus. And if that kept them from bidding it affected the price.

I’m personally a fan boy, if I had a billion.. i’d put that baby up in my sweet billionaire comic library / comic art gallery for 5.4mm. But, it’s a cover painting from my favorite run of silver age comics / what I feel is the first comic publications that tried to subvert the comic book code (talking Warren, not just Eerie)