Heritage May 16 - 18 Comic Art Signature Auction - Chicago
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20 minutes ago, glendgold said:

My 12 year old self loves this painting, and there is something exciting (and nausea-provoking) about how much money it's going to go for. But if you're going to fantasize about Frazetta being fine art, then you have to also brace yourself for the art world crying "Orientalism," among other things, as a critique.  I'm not Edward Said or anything but I see how it's pretty problematic. 

 

Comparing the Frazetta to the ugly modern "art". This went for $85,812,500 (Kasimir Malevich, Suprematist Composition, 1916) at Christie's 2018. That isn't even art, its design. Then  the Egyptian Queen will be a bargain at any price.

That is nauseating!

 

 

 

 

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Ah come on.

Totally apples and oranges.

And can you IMAGINE someone doing that in 1916.    That's a lifetime ago and whatever you think of it, painting that in 1916 took some balls, conviction, and belief in your own path.

 

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It’s what we would consider a form of “design” today, based on standards he helped pioneer via fine art decades before, and didn’t really take hold in a recognizable popular form until the 50s. And he didn’t just paint, he wrote papers on the topic of using basic static geometric form and color to illicit feelings and movement.

At the time he was making the work it was a new visual language. And eventually saw him banned and his work confiscated by Stalin and friends for its non-imagery non-realist propaganda individualistic nature. 

Yup, I can totally see the parallels to the Egyptian Queen piece. Remember that time Fraz had his work confiscated from the Fritz Museum?   Errrr....

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That same year...

US troops were fighting Native American warriors from the Yaqui nation in Arizona.

Women finally get the vote in the UK.

WWI

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34 minutes ago, Bronty said:

Ah come on.

Totally apples and oranges.

And can you IMAGINE someone doing that in 1916.    That's a lifetime ago and whatever you think of it, painting that in 1916 took some balls, conviction, and belief in your own path.

 

But is isn't a painting. Just squares on a canvas. Don't see it taking balls. People do all kinds of stuff that isn't any good for centuries.

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1 hour ago, ESeffinga said:

And eventually saw him banned and his work confiscated by Stalin and friends for its non-imagery non-realist propaganda individualistic nature. 

 

 

He got persecuted for parallelograms? 

Now THAT is a dictatorship with convictions.....they even had geometry locked down. 

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18 minutes ago, comix4fun said:

 

He got persecuted for parallelograms? 

Now THAT is a dictatorship with convictions.....they even had geometry locked down. 

Wait till you hear about his views on music.  Dude couldn't let a note alone.

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3 hours ago, ESeffinga said:

And eventually saw him banned and his work confiscated by Stalin and friends for its non-imagery non-realist propaganda individualistic nature. 

You're trying to make me like Stalin. 

Not.Going.To.Happen.

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On 4/26/2019 at 2:03 AM, Brian Peck said:

Oops my mistake, I read the article wrong. He is correct.

Only 21 items have sold for more at Heritage than the current $2.5M bid. Most are money and coins or plots of land. If it doubles the bids to $5 Million it will be the most expensive item ever sold on Heritage.

:headbang: I didn't actually have to research the answer. I've been following (and reporting on)  prices for comics and comics art for maybe 15 years, so it wasn't like I was running a search to figure it out.

And really, if I had to run a search it's dead easy to limit Heritage's results to a category. You don't have to actually search. You just click on Auction Hall of Fame which excludes some lots by Rockwell, which predate them pulling work like that into a separate category and you get their tops lots (almost all of which I've probably written up individually) 

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16 hours ago, Bronty said:

Ah come on.

Totally apples and oranges.

And can you IMAGINE someone doing that in 1916.    That's a lifetime ago and whatever you think of it, painting that in 1916 took some balls, conviction, and belief in your own path.

 

I think it was an outgrowth of the cubist school, like Piet Mondrian who similarly moved beyond it, and yes, it has historical significance. This is something Mondrian did in 1917 (before he became famous for his grid like work):

Composition with Color Planes (1917)

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Oh I'm sure it was and that's why I think Demoiselles might be the most expensive painting outside of the Mona Lisa were it auctioned today as the last 110 years of art pretty much all leads back to that moment.

But, I'm no expert in either the history or the values.

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12 hours ago, adamstrange said:

You're trying to make me like Stalin. 

Not.Going.To.Happen.

I don't think you could rock a mustache of that magnitude......

Honestly....it's an upper lip squirrel..

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12 minutes ago, Bronty said:

Oh I'm sure it was and that's why I think Demoiselles might be the most expensive painting outside of the Mona Lisa were it auctioned today as the last 110 years of art pretty much all leads back to that moment.

But, I'm no expert in either the history or the values.

I wasn't suggesting I think it is worth that kind of money, regardless if the artist had balls or not. There are a lot of people with sick amounts of money to spend, and I suspect that if true modern masterworks (which are in favor these days) were auctioned, the amount would be huge. Can you imagine the auction price of Picasso's Guernica on the market?

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16 minutes ago, Rick2you2 said:

I wasn't suggesting I think it is worth that kind of money, regardless if the artist had balls or not. There are a lot of people with sick amounts of money to spend, and I suspect that if true modern masterworks (which are in favor these days) were auctioned, the amount would be huge. Can you imagine the auction price of Picasso's Guernica on the market?

I think maybe we have our wires crossed.   When I said "I'm sure it was" I was agreeing with your comment about outgrowth from cubism.

Why is why I mentioned Demoiselles, which I think would be worth more than Guernica, don't you?   Easier to hang, for one thing.   (I get that these people have large houses but still, Guernica is over twenty feet long).

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29 minutes ago, Bronty said:

Why is why I mentioned Demoiselles, which I think would be worth more than Guernica, don't you?   Easier to hang, for one thing.   (I get that these people have large houses but still, Guernica is over twenty feet long).

I think Guernica would go for more, and anyone who could afford Guernica would have no problem finding a wall space big enough to accommodate it.

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7 minutes ago, tth2 said:

I think Guernica would go for more, and anyone who could afford Guernica would have no problem finding a wall space big enough to accommodate it.

I guess.   I don't really get it though.     Guernica never really appealed to me so I'm probably biased against it.  

Either way, I'm sure they'd both go for ridiculous money if available.    500m would be low I think.    A billion and perhaps more.    

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31 minutes ago, Bronty said:

I guess.   I don't really get it though.     Guernica never really appealed to me so I'm probably biased against it.  

Either way, I'm sure they'd both go for ridiculous money if available.    500m would be low I think.    A billion and perhaps more.    

About Guernica, ever hear "Spanish Bombs" by the Clash? Brutal war for the pre-WW 2 period.

 

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25 minutes ago, Rick2you2 said:

About Guernica, ever hear "Spanish Bombs" by the Clash? Brutal war for the pre-WW 2 period.

No, I haven't.   I'm sure that's true, and you can see the despair in the painting and that, but I dunno.  Not my taste really.   I guess I find cubism an odd style through which to express war and suffering.   

Since we're going for musical analogies I find it a little bit like playing death metal on tubular bells.   It just works better with guitars.

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I believe the prior record was 2 million or 1.5 after the first painting hit 1 mil...both were Conan paintings and in my opinion superior to the EQ.  I still rank this painting #3 or #4. It would be interesting to look at those sale prices and factor in the inflation rate to see how close they would get to 2.5 2019 dollars. I think this will break 3 Million...3.4 is my new prediction including BP and sales tax.

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