Question: Savvy Boardie Investor 3 3

[Darkowl]

For years I've been told from numerous people that investing in comics is a bad idea. So glad I never listened to them.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Darkowl

[Gaard]

38 minutes ago, Darkowl said:

I sold my Ms Marvel 1 last Sunday in an ebay auction. Most people never cared about the character to begin with. I only thought she was somewhat interesting, because Rogue permanently absorbed all of her powers. Meh.

How'd it do?

[dupont2005]

11 hours ago, kav said:

Online reviews seem to indicate she's another Mary Sue character with no weaknesses and excels at everything she does, even if it's the first time she ever did it.  I hate Mary Sue characters, man.

Isn’t that how most superheroes male or female are portrayed?

[theCapraAegagrus]

11 hours ago, kav said:

Online reviews seem to indicate she's another Mary Sue character with no weaknesses and excels at everything she does, even if it's the first time she ever did it.  I hate Mary Sue characters, man.

I'm not sure if she can be accurately described as a Mary Sue. She's the byproduct of a McGuffin.

Not to say it's any better, but as a Mary Sue she wouldn't have an 'excuse' for her prowess. In this case, Marvel can just say, "because of McGuffin". Which is a whole other problem.

I also wouldn't say she's particularly proficient at anything. She has training on many things. Her McGuffin powers have no explanation as to how she's able to understand or use them - and it makes the movie mediocre by not conveying any support to how she uses them. 

[theCapraAegagrus]

4 minutes ago, dupont2005 said:

Isn’t that how most superheroes male or female are portrayed?

Marvel Studios has done a good job of defining how characters are able to do 'what they do'.

Worlds of DC even does the same.

Their characters tend to go through 'trials', training, and defining moments. Captain Marvel kinda bucks these trends, unfortunately. The supporting cast does a good job of making the movie more watchable.

Rey is a Mary Sue, because she's great at everything with no testing or training. Most comic book movies, nowadays at least, give us understanding to how their "powers" work.

[F For Fake]

13 hours ago, cosmic_surfer said:

 the Afro community

[littlebill]

feige has stated that captain marvel will take the lead in the mcu after endgame. i have never liked how everything revolved around iron man but this may be even harder to except. i understand that they have already introduced captain marvel but since disney is now the king why not let reed richards be the center like he should have always been

[comix4fun]

6 minutes ago, littlebill said:

feige has stated that captain marvel will take the lead in the mcu after endgame. i have never liked how everything revolved around iron man but this may be even harder to except. i understand that they have already introduced captain marvel but since disney is now the king why not let reed richards be the center like he should have always been

Well, Reed may be coming back but he hasn't been introduced along side the current roster of characters and the characters that will take part in the ongoing films. 

Given the failure of, basically, all of the FF films to date (either box office, storytelling, or both) without an actor being cast as Reed, or a box office track record, or fan reaction to the character it would be a risk of multiple billions of dollars worth of structured universe building and momentum to not center the universe around a character that's already shown the ability to be a standout financial success. 

Had they already introduced Reed, gauged fan and financial reaction then I could see it working. We're just too far away from that happening to jump to making him the centerpiece. Letting the universe lie fallow for the years it would take to develop Reed in the MCU is a handicap and a risk that I can't imagine anyone at Marvel Films would be eager to take. 

Iron man was a risk to center the entire universe upon and if RDJ's first film wasn't a blockbuster success the universe center would have most likely shifted off of him. 

[comix4fun]

14 hours ago, cosmic_surfer said:

Unlike Black Panther, which is beloved by not only the Afro community but also the general public. 

The mohawk, cornrow, flat top, and buzzcut communities seemed to like it as well. 

The bowl cut and "never letting my girlfriend cut my hair again" votes are still pending. 

[revat]

There have been myriad comic movies with myriad 1st appearance comics related to those movies from various time periods.  The sales data history and dates of release of movies and trailers are publicly available.

No one knows your individual situation and preferences and interpretation of the data, certainly not some internet strangers.  You will be most successful in investing if you gain your own expertise over the topic OR consult a PAID professional.

Edited March 19, 2019 by revat

[Badger]

14 hours ago, lizards2 said:

The prices will stay high until folks decide to dump them.

Ms. Marvel was a trash series, so I expect that to fall harder.

They are both way over-priced, at present.

I suspect that in another 10 or 20 years these will be "hot" due to their GGA on the covers. Some of these covers have all the, ahem, "elements" that collectors of GGA look for.

 

[F For Fake]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

I suspect that in another 10 or 20 years these will be "hot" due to their GGA on the covers. Some of these covers have all the, ahem, "elements" that collectors of GGA look for.

 

SHHHH, some of us have been well aware of this for a while, and don't need others nosing around! 

[Badger]

13 hours ago, Tony S said:

I'm not quite so critical.... Let's discuss though.

Marvel Super-Heroes 13 is the first appearance of Carol Danvers. NOT of Ms Marvel, not of Captain Marvel.  Historically, the first appearance of a supporting character that later on goes on to be a popular super hero or super villain has NOT been the most expensive book. The most expensive book is normally their first appearance as a costumed character.  Something that Marvel Super-Heroes has going for it is that it was published in 1968. When comic book collecting was in it's infancy.  The first Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide was not published until 1970. Also, the book cost 25 cents when the regular price of comics was 12 cents. PROBABLY did not sell a huge number of copies. 

Ms Marvel 1 is the first appearance of Carol Danvers as the costumed super hero Ms Marvel.  1977.  Comic fandom is now young, but established. Collectors ROUTINELY bought extra copies of Marvel and to a lesser degree DC first issues.  But this book was a bit off putting to collectors at the time with it's feminist underpinnings. It's clear looking around that a book like Black Panther 1 - a Kirby book to boot - probably sold much better.  So as first issue from 1977, this might not have generated a huge number as far as sales. 

Now as to the future. It's pretty clear Marvel/Disney intends to make Captain Marvel a big deal going forward. Whatever the next set of movies is going forward, this version of Captain Marvel is going to be a part of. 

Personally, I see nothing wrong with holding onto either or both of these books. The Carol Danvers version of Captain Marvel is going to be prominent and important in future Marvel movies -  including at least one sequel of her own. However, the quick and easy money has already been made.  If you bought these cheap years ago and want to take a profit, now is probably a reasonable time.  But I DO NOT see prices going down. They will hold steady, most likely have modest increases going forward. 

I see other Ms Marvel/Captain Marvel books with more upside.  Captain Marvel 18 - where Carol Danvers obtains super powers - still appears over looked.  And while I very, very much prefer "vintage" books as investments over moderns, I am pretty certain that Captain Marvel #1 from 2012 is way cheap.  Carol Danvers made her debut as "Captain Marvel" in Avenging Spider-Man #9. That books sells for good money. But seriously. It came out just ONE WEEK before Captain Marvel #1.  And there really isn't much to the story.  Captain Marvel #1 is the beginning of Carol assuming the mantel of Captain Marvel. And it's cheap. Really, really cheap.  The number of copies is similar. According to Comichron (they get their numbers from Diamond) Avenging Spider-Man 9 sold 39,000 copies, Captain Marvel #1 46,900.  Both of these numbers are way, way less than the likely sales of MSH 13 or Ms. Marvel 1 (1977) 

So if one is looking to make money buying the current, in the movies Captain Marvel books, these new books seem to have potential. With the #1 of Captain Marvel the most potential, as it is very inexpensive at this time. 

 

I agree with most of this except that there were major warehouse finds in the late 70s/ early 80s of ~1968 Marvels.  So many that 2 dealers, Dolgoff and Koch if I remember correctly, ran ads for years in the Comic Collectors Guide advertising 9.0 and above runs of Daredevil 8 and up and so on.  It is why one noted collector around here was able to assemble literally thousands of Submariner/Iron man #1.

Because of this I would not be surprised if someone(s) is still sitting on hundreds of high grade copies of books that until relatively recently just were not worth the time to list. Now they know what they have and they are doling them out slowly so as to not stress the market.

[lizards2]

36 minutes ago, F For Fake said:

38 minutes ago, Badger said:

I suspect that in another 10 or 20 years these will be "hot" due to their GGA on the covers. Some of these covers have all the, ahem, "elements" that collectors of GGA look for.

SHHHH, some of us have been well aware of this for a while, and don't need others nosing around! 

I doubt it.  The truly savvy younger collectors know that porn is free on the internet, and don't waste their time on carp like this.

[Darkowl]

2 hours ago, Gaard said:

How'd it do?

Quite well!

[the blob]

15 hours ago, kav said:

Yes Dr Strange has the alpha male leadership quality to replace Tony Stark.  Not a fan of the "Strong female character" since it's been overdone so much it's become sheer cliche and thus-to me anyway-boring.   Wonder Woman was strong but had the feminine side that made her more realistic and interesting.  Hollywood still thinks the "Kick-*spoon* Chick" is a fresh new idea.  Havent seen it but pretty sure I will hate captain marvel.  I imagine she's uber serious and puts men 'in their place' throughout the film.

You are a grumpy old white man. And that is not what goes on in the movie. In fact, the Kree can't stand the fact that she is always joking around. The "girl overcoming sexism" stuff flutters around in the background, but actually has nothing to do with the plot (other than the sexism is why she was in the position to get her powers at all)

[the blob]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

I suspect that in another 10 or 20 years these will be "hot" due to their GGA on the covers. Some of these covers have all the, ahem, "elements" that collectors of GGA look for.

 

This is already not a cheap book due to it being early Mystique. Have sold not super high grade copies for $30+ for years now.

[kav]

3 minutes ago, the blob said:

You are a grumpy old white man. And that is not what goes on in the movie. In fact, the Kree can't stand the fact that she is always joking around. The "girl overcoming sexism" stuff flutters around in the background, but actually has nothing to do with the plot (other than the sexism is why she was in the position to get her powers at all)

I would place being disrespectful to the Kree males in the category of "female putting men in their place" which we've seen in about a billion movies.  It's ok to be grumpy about cliche ridden films when there are many alternatives.

[the blob]

"Given the failure of, basically, all of the FF films to date (either box office, storytelling, or both) without an actor being cast as Reed, or a box office track record, or fan reaction to the character it would be a risk of multiple billions of dollars worth of structured universe building and momentum to not center the universe around a character that's already shown the ability to be a standout financial success."

The 2005 FF had a $100 million budget and $330 million box office, so it did alright. Good enough for a sequel that had a $130 million budget and $290 million box office, which I guess probably lost money or barely broke even.

 

[Mystafo]

1 minute ago, kav said:

It's ok to be grumpy about cliche ridden films when there are many alternatives.

Is it though, Kav....is it?