New Mutants 98 purchase 0

[Haiden]

Hello all,

I thought I should make a thread for how stupid I am haha I purchased an extremely sketchy New Mutants 98 9.8 on Ebay for ~$100. So many red flags; new account, extremely low price, from china etc.  

I guess my question is - once I don't receive this book as I am expecting - I am still fairly covered by Ebay/Paypal am I not? If for the extremely low chance it does arrive, then that is a win

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-Mutants-98-CGC-9-8/392266236817?hash=item5b54e3c391:g:YDcAAOSwR2xcmgh3

Thanks and I am expecting to get ripped on for this
Haiden 

[Darkowl]

Yep, you're covered. ebay will always have the buyer's back. 

Edited March 26, 2019 by Darkowl

[theCapraAegagrus]

24 minutes ago, Haiden said:

Hello all,

I thought I should make a thread for how stupid I am haha I purchased an extremely sketchy New Mutants 98 9.8 on Ebay for ~$100. So many red flags; new account, extremely low price, from china etc.  

I guess my question is - once I don't receive this book as I am expecting - I am still fairly covered by Ebay/Paypal am I not? If for the extremely low chance it does arrive, then that is a win

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-Mutants-98-CGC-9-8/392266236817?hash=item5b54e3c391:g:YDcAAOSwR2xcmgh3

Thanks and I am expecting to get ripped on for this
Haiden 

Is there a red flag regarding the pictured product? Or are you just expecting to receive an item that is not pictured?

If you don't receive the pictured item, or it's been tampered with, I see no reason why eBay would not support a return.

[Haiden]

The red flags are the price being extremely low for the book at that grade and the account being brand new with no feedback to back it.

Good to know I am backed for my purchase regardless though. If deals like this are found - why wouldnt anybody have purchased it knowing Ebay would back them? It was a brand new listing, so wasnt up long. Is it of convenience of not having to go through the process of getting money back? 

[theCapraAegagrus]

3 minutes ago, Haiden said:

The red flags are the price being extremely low for the book at that grade and the account being brand new with no feedback to back it.

Good to know I am backed for my purchase regardless though. If deals like this are found - why wouldnt anybody have purchased it knowing Ebay would back them? It was a brand new listing, so wasnt up long. Is it of convenience of not having to go through the process of getting money back? 

Makes sense. Everybody has to start somewhere, though.

I have specific collecting habits. New Mutants isn't on my list. Blue Label products aren't typically on my list. I'm pretty much dead-set on Signature Series and trade paperbacks only right now. Personally, refunds aren't a concern for me. Having money 'tied up' sucks, if you need to go through a return, but it doesn't prevent me from buying a collectible that looks like a good deal (that I want particularly for my collection).

[Donald Jack]

I didn't see the China part that you mention in your post.  It looks like this is from MyComicShop in Texas.  I've had great dealings with them in the past, so I'd lean toward a success for you.  Worst case scenario is that you don't receive it, or you don't get what you purchased.  The dispute process with both eBay and PayPal is great!  In fact, everything for proof of sale is readily available to them, so your part is just answering a few questions and they take care of the rest.  My guess is you will either have your graded book, or a full refund.  Can't beat that, right?

[theCapraAegagrus]

Just now, Donald Jack said:

I didn't see the China part that you mention in your post.  It looks like this is from MyComicShop in Texas.  I've had great dealings with them in the past, so I'd lean toward a success for you.  Worst case scenario is that you don't receive it, or you don't get what you purchased.  The dispute process with both eBay and PayPal is great!  In fact, everything for proof of sale is readily available to them, so your part is just answering a few questions and they take care of the rest.  My guess is you will either have your graded book, or a full refund.  Can't beat that, right?

Are you looking at the, "We found something similar" page, and not the original listing?

[Donald Jack]

Of course I am...and that is why I should be working and not playing around.  Gotta love it.

 

Ok, but the dispute process is still accurate.  So, give me 50% credit...yes, still an "F".

Edited March 26, 2019 by Donald Jack

[mattn792]

You definitely should've known better...

 

[Haiden]

11 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

You definitely should've known better...

 

As much as I'm new to comics and only have a few purchases - I was already pretty aware this is more than likely too good to be true. From the sounds of it though, I'd be covered for my expenses. So technically there is no harm in trying is my understanding? Haha

[mattn792]

1 minute ago, Haiden said:

As much as I'm new to comics and only have a few purchases - I was already pretty aware this is more than likely too good to be true. From the sounds of it though, I'd be covered for my expenses. So technically there is no harm in trying is my understanding? Haha

You're right, in all likelihood eBay will back you in any dispute since you'll probably receive a copy of the March 8th Shanghai Times, if you receive anything at all.  But, why put your money on the line in the first place?  If all indications are that this is a scam, why go through the hassle just for the EXTREMELY small chance that the auction is legit?

[Haiden]

6 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

You're right, in all likelihood eBay will back you in any dispute since you'll probably receive a copy of the March 8th Shanghai Times, if you receive anything at all.  But, why put your money on the line in the first place?  If all indications are that this is a scam, why go through the hassle just for the EXTREMELY small chance that the auction is legit?

You are definitely not wrong! I dont really purchase much from Ebay or comics in general. I dont expect to go down this route again  I got the few books I wanted, but was going to surprise my buddy with a low grade of this comic as a gift for his bday. I'm not expecting a good ending to the story, but I dont mind $100 being tied up for a little. Its just good to hear that I wont technically lose anything. I will definitely update this thread when it comes to it so we can all have a good laugh.

[Comics4All]

1 hour ago, Haiden said:

Hello all,

I thought I should make a thread for how stupid I am haha I purchased an extremely sketchy New Mutants 98 9.8 on Ebay for ~$100. So many red flags; new account, extremely low price, from china etc.  

I guess my question is - once I don't receive this book as I am expecting - I am still fairly covered by Ebay/Paypal am I not? If for the extremely low chance it does arrive, then that is a win

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-Mutants-98-CGC-9-8/392266236817?hash=item5b54e3c391:g:YDcAAOSwR2xcmgh3

Thanks and I am expecting to get ripped on for this
Haiden 

Sorry but no chance are you getting a NM 98 CGC 9.8 for $100! Notice the * next to the 9.8 Bad indicator!

You will get your $ back though

You will also mostly likely receive a 8/12/1978  copy of Grit wrapped in a plastic bag! 

Edited March 26, 2019 by comics4all

[revat]

I would say if you receive anything, make sure you videotape yourself taking receipt of the package and opening it, one continuous shot, with narration and closeups of all the labels and paperwork.  And have at least one witness in front of you.  If possible, try to open it at the post office or in front of a postal worker.

[Donald Jack]

I agree with Revat...I'd also add that you may actually receive a well done counterfeit version of what you ordered.  In the dispute world, in order to claim an item is counterfeit, it normally has to be deemed counterfeit in writing by a credible source (normally--in this case I'd say a local comicbook shop or even CGC).  And having all the evidence possible will only help if there is to be anything more than a simple dispute case on a PayPal or eBay account.

Best of luck on this one and please keep us posted on what you get and how it turns out.

DJ

[Cozmo-One]

My guess is that it will end up like this one...

 

[Haiden]

3 hours ago, revat said:

I would say if you receive anything, make sure you videotape yourself taking receipt of the package and opening it, one continuous shot, with narration and closeups of all the labels and paperwork.  And have at least one witness in front of you.  If possible, try to open it at the post office or in front of a postal worker.

Thanks for the advice I always videotape my stuff at home when I open it in the case it doesn't come as described. Would this be good enough? Unfortunately, I wouldnt be able to open it at the post office as it goes to my parents place. I then get to it a few days later when I visit. For my own information - what would the benefit of having the postal worker there? The claim would be good enough through ebay/PayPal wouldnt it? 

 

@Cozmo-One - that is a good read! Sunglasses wouldn't be half bad right? Lol

[Cozmo-One]

27 minutes ago, Haiden said:

 

@Cozmo-One - that is a good read! Sunglasses wouldn't be half bad right? Lol

Sure, maybe get a nice pair of "Ray-Buns". Good luck!

[revat]

56 minutes ago, Haiden said:

Thanks for the advice I always videotape my stuff at home when I open it in the case it doesn't come as described. Would this be good enough? Unfortunately, I wouldnt be able to open it at the post office as it goes to my parents place. I then get to it a few days later when I visit. For my own information - what would the benefit of having the postal worker there? The claim would be good enough through ebay/PayPal wouldnt it? 

  

@Cozmo-One - that is a good read! Sunglasses wouldn't be half bad right? Lol

It certainly isn't a 'must' to do it at the post office or in front of a postal worker, and the value may not outweigh the effort.  But better evidence is well...better.  Doing it at the post office or in front of the postal worker would ensure a chain of custody in the event that someone asks or disputes, especially in the event that you wanted to report to the police or other authorities (as opposed to just paypal/ebay). 

[Donald Jack]

From my experience as a former credit card disputes customer service specialist, I can tell you that in nearly all cases under $100.00, very minimal "proof" will be needed.  When you dispute the item, and in your case we are assuming the dispute would be either Merchandise not Received or Not as Described (counterfeit), or just Not as Described, the issuer (PayPal) will ask you some questions to determine the reason for the dispute.  That's normally all you will provide as PayPal has access to the item, and other information from the invoice and eBay sale page.  They should issue temporary credit while they process a "chargeback" to the merchant's bank.  If the merchant doesn't respond within 60 days, the temp credit becomes permanent and PayPal will either attempt to recover funds from the merchant's banks, or write off the amount (write off limits depend on many factors).  At that point it's on them.

If the merchant represents the charge (basically saying they don't accept the dispute or the conditions), then PayPal will ask you if you want to continue the dispute and at that point may ask for more information.  Again, it being under $100.00 (not sure what dollar currency they will look at), they may not bother with it and just write it off, but if they do decide to continue with redisputing to the merchant, the normal evidence you'd need to provide is everything in the eBay sale listing.  Normally pictures and video don't amount to anything, and will rarely be asked for (but always nice to have if you decided to really ramp it up to a court of law...yeah, probably not what you do for $100.00).  However, if the counterfeit route is taken, that's when you will need a credible authority to sign a statement saying the item is not legitimate.  At this point the merchant accepts (you win), or declines (and then it's a duking match.)  If it's a VISA or MasterCard, those companies make the final call and the loser pays the "court costs" (for lack of a better term, but it's something like about $600.00).  I'm not sure who makes the final call for PayPal whether to fight the battle, give you the credit, or give you the liability, but for liability, there has to be no real evidence to support your claim.

I have never seen a counterfeit case with legitimate proof become a liability to the customer (I must have processed 20-30 of them usually sneakers and sunglasses).  And for just a regular Not As Described reason, the law requires you to have made an effort to return the item and they don't care at who's expense.  So as long as you can show you made the effort to return (which helps a lot if the listing says the merchant allows returns and provides a return slip), you have a solid case (that includes contacting the merchant, asking for the return address and not receiving a response).  And lastly, Merchandise Not Received will work beautifully if they track it and it never shows up, or if they don't track it and it never shows up.  In either case, the merchant must be able to show it was delivered to you.

Hope this helps with the process and what goes on behind the scenes.  In short, if you open a case with eBay (first step anyway) and it does not work in your favor, then dispute with PayPal.  You'll provide information and then wait.  I honestly don't think this will be a tough battle for you.  Many of these merchants don't represent as it just draws attention to the illegal activity.

Best of luck!

DJ