Stolen Books - Harley Yee - Berkeley 3 3

[Jaylam]

I had a friend have a side window of his vehicle busted out and all his purchases from the con he just attended stolen when he stopped at a Hard Rock Café to eat about 10 blocks from where the con was held. You have to think some people are making it a point to follow you and exploit any lapses on your part to leave your cashe un guarded or protected.

[BitterOldMan]

8 minutes ago, 1Cool said:

Is there a lesson to be learned (even for the smaller Con dealers) from the horrible experience.  I know I've stopped to grab a bite to eat while driving back up north from a Con and all my boxes where in the back of my SUV.  I did bring in the big ticket books into my room when I stopped overnight but didn't even think about the risk of theft while having dinner.  Are we to the point of needing to leave people in vans when people run into grab a bite to eat?

Harley was in the San Francisco Bay Area, where there is an epidemic of auto break ins.

I am a native San Franciscan and actually still live in the heart of the breakins, where all the houses are worth several million dollars.  While I was walking to a book store, I saw somebody with blue rubber gloves and a backpack looking into car windows.  He gave me a dirty look, so I gave him a dirtier look.

Here is some advice from an old guy, who spent a long time hanging out in the streets. I have multiple college degrees, but there a saying that goes, "the kid leaves the streets, but the streets never leave the kid." Don't leave anything in plain sight, not even a penny.  Do not leave backpacks, phones, handbags, and cameras in plain sight.  When you are several blocks from your destination, put everything in your secured trunk. Don't put valuables into your trunk at your destination. If you have a SUV, you should be able to purchase a cover for the storage area.

[batman_fan]

21 minutes ago, musicmeta said:

Yes, I read later on that while not a felony it's still a crime.  

Still a crime but minimized to the point where enforcement is basically zero and the frequency of the offense has increased significantly.

[RCheli]

5 minutes ago, batman_fan said:

Still a crime but minimized to the point where enforcement is basically zero and the frequency of the offense has increased significantly.

Again, that's not true. Property crime has remained pretty stagnant in California since 2014. https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/

[sacentaur]

Harley responded that the break-in was a disaster, but he is going to be OK.

Didn’t want to pry into insurance details and such, and he didn’t offer.

As others have prudently pointed out, hopefully he will be able to take more precautions in the future to prevent such an occurrence. 

[1Cool]

7 minutes ago, RCheli said:

Again, that's not true. Property crime has remained pretty stagnant in California since 2014. https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/

I don't see 2018 data shown on the tables.

[bc]

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/02/16/property-crime-rates-test-san-franciscans-values

"San Francisco now has the highest rate of property crime, which includes things like theft, shoplifting and vandalism, per inhabitant. In 2017 there were around 30,000 incidents of theft from cars, triple the number in 2010. “It feels like an epidemic because it is an epidemic,” says Leif Dautch, a young prosecutor who is running for district attorney in San Francisco. Some of those who have been victims complain that they are not taken seriously by the justice system. According to one report from 2016, charges are filed in a mere 2% of vehicle burglaries in San Francisco."

 

An average of 82 thefts from cars per day for 2017.

Can't find any stats to compare to 2018 to determine if there is a significant variance.

[RCheli]

1 minute ago, 1Cool said:

I don't see 2018 data shown on the tables.

Prop 47, the law that moved low-level property crimes down to a misdemeanor, was passed in 2014, so the expected change would be in 2015, 2016, 2017... It's probably still too early to collect complete statewide data for 2018, but I doubt it has gone up or down that much.

[RCheli]

4 minutes ago, bc said:

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/02/16/property-crime-rates-test-san-franciscans-values

"San Francisco now has the highest rate of property crime, which includes things like theft, shoplifting and vandalism, per inhabitant. In 2017 there were around 30,000 incidents of theft from cars, triple the number in 2010. “It feels like an epidemic because it is an epidemic,” says Leif Dautch, a young prosecutor who is running for district attorney in San Francisco. Some of those who have been victims complain that they are not taken seriously by the justice system. According to one report from 2016, charges are filed in a mere 2% of vehicle burglaries in San Francisco."

 

An average of 82 thefts from cars per day for 2017.

Can't find any stats to compare to 2018 to determine if there is a significant variance.

I would stress that a single year-over-year change shouldn't be looked on as gospel. Look at trends over years. 

[Sal]

thievery, like almost all crime, has a complicated origin.  it's not any one thing; it's a whole host of factors, none of which are easy or inexpensive to solve.  you can argue the facts until the cows come home but if there was a way to stop crime that actually worked and was palatable to society and the economy, it would be in place already.

 

i think it's probably best that we just concentrate on the one aspect of this with which we all agree; this is a crappy thing to happen to anyone and all we can really do individually is be vigilant and responsible

[BlowUpTheMoon]

Courtesy of Flee

Edited April 10, 2019 by BlowUpTheMoon

[BlowUpTheMoon]

On the second Tuesday of each month, Harley is at the Waffle House next to the Motel 6 on Hwy 49 in Hattiesburg between the hours of 6-8PM

 

Edited April 10, 2019 by BlowUpTheMoon

[sacentaur]

Just got off the phone with Harley and he is a bit concerned that law enforcement is not handling the high value case as a priority. Once I explained the realities to him, he understands things a bit better. A detective is supposed to get back to him today with an update.

One complicating factor is that the break-in occurred in one jurisdiction while the three arrests (and recovery of 4 books) occurred in another jurisdiction.

Harley did express gratitude to everyone who has offered their support, back to work for him (as usual).

[FlyingDonut]

11 minutes ago, BlowUpTheMoon said:

On the second Tuesday of each month, Harley is at the Waffle House next to the Motel 6 on Hwy 49 in Hattiesburg between the hours of 6-8PM

 

There's a special - if you order hashbrowns you get a Marvel Mystery thrown in for free!

[batman_fan]

1 hour ago, RCheli said:

Again, that's not true. Property crime has remained pretty stagnant in California since 2014. https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/

reported rates, not the same as actual rates.

[batman_fan]

40 minutes ago, sacentaur said:

Just got off the phone with Harley and he is a bit concerned that law enforcement is not handling the high value case as a priority. Once I explained the realities to him, he understands things a bit better. A detective is supposed to get back to him today with an update.

One complicating factor is that the break-in occurred in one jurisdiction while the three arrests (and recovery of 4 books) occurred in another jurisdiction.

Harley did express gratitude to everyone who has offered their support, back to work for him (as usual).

Hopefully he gets everything back.

[Dark Knight]

50 minutes ago, sacentaur said:

Just got off the phone with Harley and he is a bit concerned that law enforcement is not handling the high value case as a priority. Once I explained the realities to him, he understands things a bit better. A detective is supposed to get back to him today with an update.

One complicating factor is that the break-in occurred in one jurisdiction while the three arrests (and recovery of 4 books) occurred in another jurisdiction.

Harley did express gratitude to everyone who has offered their support, back to work for him (as usual).

Thanks for the update Steve! Glad Harley is ok and not harmed which is most important.  Hope he gets his books back soon too!

[RCheli]

1 hour ago, batman_fan said:

reported rates, not the same as actual rates.

Please show me something that says this is happening, that there is a recent underreporting of crimes after the passage of this bill. I'm giving you data and you're giving personal perceptions. 

[batman_fan]

6 minutes ago, RCheli said:

Please show me something that says this is happening, that there is a recent underreporting of crimes after the passage of this bill. I'm giving you data and you're giving personal perceptions. 

I am wrong and you are right, you are the smartest most brilliant person I have ever encountered, I am humbled by your superior intellect.  

[RCheli]

22 minutes ago, batman_fan said:

I am wrong and you are right, you are the smartest most brilliant person I have ever encountered, I am humbled by your superior intellect.  

It's difficult to have discussions with people when one comes with beliefs and the other comes with data. This is not my data, I only looked it up because you made a remark about decriminalization of petty crimes (which seemed to be untrue and it was). With every rebuttal, I have given you verifiable information and you have come back with opinion.