Who should play the next James Bond? 2 2

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7 minutes ago, TwoPiece said:

True.

He looks like he's had a good old dose of botox in recent pictures I've seen.

[media_junkie]

I'll probably get some hate on me for this, but Skyfall is the only Bond film with Daniel Craig that is worth watching, IMO.  I thought all the rest of them (especially the last one SPECTRE) were all horrid.

[theCapraAegagrus]

1 minute ago, media_junkie said:

I'll probably get some hate on me for this, but Skyfall is the only Bond film with Daniel Craig that is worth watching, IMO.  I thought all the rest of them (especially the last one SPECTRE) were all horrid.

You really didn't like Casino Royale..?

[Gatsby77]

I thought Casino Royale was good, but it had limitations that weren't its fault.

Background -- I grew up on Bond in the '80s -- first one I saw was The Living Daylights, but I was sold -- eventually saw all the movies, played the James Bond roleplaying game, read all the Fleming books and short stories, the John Gardner reboot series (well, the first six), and later read four of the Raymond Benson books.

All of that is to say...I know Bond.

Casino Royale was amazing -- and absolutely necessary, after The Bourne Identity made the Brosnan-era Bond obsolete. *Especially* Die Another Day, which had face (& race) swapping, lasers, diamond-encrusted faces, Madonna, bad wind-surfing CGI and an invisible car. It's fun, but basically a self-parody (see also, A View to a Kill).

While the film actually *improved* on the book, adding context and depth to La Chiffre, it was hampered by being Bond's first mission -- he's a rookie, he makes some mistakes, and Vesper dies. This all happened in the book as well.

All fine and good.

But just as Batman Begins was a good film, but pales in comparison to The Dark Knight, so too is Skyfall a better film than Casino Royale because...we get to see Bond nearer to  the end of his career...rebuilding himself from a failed mission that nearly killed him *and* disgraced MI-6 in the process.

He's also faced with a worthy adversary -- like 006 in Goldeneye, here we have a former agent who knows all the tricks and training, and uses that against his former employer.

But when Bond does come back, he brings not the physicality of his peak conditioning -- but his wits built up over dozens of missions in the field to win the day. This is not the rookie of Casino Royale, but the hardened veteran of years as a government-sanctioned spy and assassin. And the story includes Bond's false identities, the support of his entire team (including Mallory, Q, and M) and a last stand at his childhood home in Scotland.

Along the way, we see the political machinations -- very real questions in Parliament -- of whether Bond -- and those like him -- are dinosaurs in this post-Cold War era of cyber threats and a Britain that's traded Russia as an enemy for the faceless terrorism of Al Qaeda and its ilk.

The subtext is clear -- does James Bond, an old-school, misogynist white man -- still have a role in a world where the best spies look more like Q -- the scrawny bespectacled hacker.

The film answers those questions with flare.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Gatsby77

[ComicConnoisseur]

Best Bond for me ever is Sean Connery. He is James Bond like Christopher Reeve is Superman.

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7 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:

I thought Casino Royale was good, but it had limitations that weren't its fault.

Background -- I grew up on Bond in the '80s -- first one I saw was The Living Daylights, but I was sold -- eventually saw all the movies, played the James Bond roleplaying game, read all the Fleming books and short stories, the John Gardner reboot series (well, the first six), and later read four of the Raymond Benson books.

All of that is to say...I know Bond.

Great post, great points but you and I are on the opposite sides of the coin when it comes to Skyfall. But that's ok. 

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20 minutes ago, thunsicker said:

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I think this could work. What would be awesome is introducing Idris Elba as 006, a former Royal Marine commando created by Fleming and mentioned in an old novel.

[Bosco685]

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007 producer Barbara Broccoli has said she will not begin thinking about who will replace Daniel Craig as the next James Bond until 2022.

 

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today program, Broccoli joked that she was “in denial” about Craig leaving after his five-film stint.

 

“We want Daniel to have his time of celebration,” She added. “Next year we’ll start thinking about the future.”

 

Appearing alongside Broccoli on the program, fellow Eon producer Michael G. Wilson added that Craig was leaving some “big shoes to fill”.

 

Broccoli recalled how Craig had been reluctant to take on the role prior to being cast. “He knew it would change his life, which it obviously has,” she said, going on to praise what the actor had brought to the character. “He enabled us to explore the emotional life of Bond, to go deeply into the personal, complexity of the character.”

 

Asked about Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s role in writing the film, Wilson added that she had made a “major contribution.”

 

“She gave us an interesting point-of-view for several of the characters. It’s unfair to think of her as a female writer… she contributed to the whole plot of the film,” he added.

 

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[Chicago Boy]

I grew up in the time of Moore.  He was great as The Saint but not so as Bond.  Connery was the best until Craig entered the scene. (and he was blonde-OMG !)   As a huge fan of Remington Steele I so wanted Pierce to be the second best Bond but that was not to be for me....my list :

1. Craig

2.  Connery

3. Dalton

4. Brosnan

5. Moore

6. Lazenby (IN all fairness Lazenby only had the one flick so it's hard to gauge--especially following up King Connery at the time) 

Edited September 27, 2021 by Chicago Boy

[Gatsby77]

See...I'm conflicted about Lazenby - in no small part because On Her Majesty's Secret Service is 

1) Arguably the best of Fleming's original books; and

2) The plot of the film - and its supporting cast - (i.e., Telly Savalas and Diana Rigg) are superb. 

It also stands out because the two surrounding Connery films (You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever)...umm...weren't good.

So Lazenby gets a bad rap (perhaps deservedly so) but almost accidentally also stars in one of the best Bond films.

If Connery had starred in OHMSS rather than Lazenby folks would easily hold it in higher esteem than Goldfinger.

[Frederic9494]

To go back to the question of this thread, Jamie Dornan would be my pic

[media_junkie]

On 9/27/2021 at 7:25 PM, Bosco685 said:

 

 

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Here’s what I would love to see. Give Lashana Lynch’s Nomi character the next film after No Time to Die. Solo. Obviously she is not James Bond. Just based on how cool she is in the trailers, I would love to see her carry a series of films as Nomi X. I would still prefer she get a different 00 number though. These movies could cross into future Bond films after they replace Craig. As long as they don’t treat her films like a spin-off. They would need the full treatment and weight to stand alone. 

Also, it seems like we got a new Bond movie every two years in the 80’s. After that it started getting longer. With two characters carrying the 00 franchise, we could have these movies alternating every other year as long as they were always filming concurrently.

Edited September 28, 2021 by Oddball

[Gatsby77]

On 9/28/2021 at 8:26 AM, Oddball said:

Here’s what I would love to see. Give Lashana Lynch’s Nomi character the next film after No Time to Die. Solo. Obviously she is not James Bond. Just based on how cool she is in the trailers, I would love to see her carry a series of films as Nomi X. I would still prefer she get a different 00 number though. These movies could cross into future Bond films after they replace Craig. As long as they don’t treat her films like a spin-off. They would need the full treatment and weight to stand alone. 

Also, it seems like we got a new Bond movie every two years in the 80’s. After that it started getting longer. With two characters carrying the 00 franchise, we could have these movies alternating every other year as long as they were always filming concurrently.

Maybe.

There were solid rumors of a Jinx spin-off series after No Time To Die - and I would have enjoyed seeing that.

But (and I've read no rumors about this - this is just my gut):

Spoiler

If indeed Lashana Lynch plays the new 007 in the film - I highly doubt she survives until the end. Two things are canonical in the Bond mythos:

1) James Bond is a real, singular person, not a code name. We know where he grew up, where he went to college, etc. And this was confirmed in Skyfall, when we saw his parents' headstones. 

2) There can be only one assigned 00 number at a time. In the books they range from 002-0013, with specific attributes given to some (i.e., 006 is the best, next to Bond; 008 is a woman, etc.). But there can't be two 004s or two 007s at the same time.

So I'm willing to bet Bond ends the film reinstated as 007.

Meaning Lashana Lynch's 007 has to die. 

 

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They should just scrap Bond continuity and make the next movie about Bond's adventures as a kid and call it something like Bond Jr., Agent .007 or something more creative. We can meet his parents, other family members. He could have a dog called K or something. Maybe we see his early penchant for spying on people and sneaking around as he solves some high school conspiracy. We can see his early relationships with girls as in he was always rejected which explains his disregard for the feelings of females later in life.

Oh, I know...Bond Begins. Duh.

[Chicago Boy]

On 9/29/2021 at 8:19 AM, @therealsilvermane said:

They should just scrap Bond continuity and make the next movie about Bond's adventures as a kid and call it something like Bond Jr., Agent .007 or something more creative. We can meet his parents, other family members. He could have a dog called K or something. Maybe we see his early penchant for spying on people and sneaking around as he solves some high school conspiracy. We can see his early relationships with girls as in he was always rejected which explains his disregard for the feelings of females later in life.

Oh, I know...Bond Begins. Duh.

That's the dumbest idea I ever heard. 

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^ Which means it's been pitched, approved and fast tracked by Hollywood while the search for the new Bond takes place