Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS 1 1

[Finhead]

1 minute ago, @therealsilvermane said:

" and thought it was a more feminist film for people who look for such things."

100%, if that's your thing.

[ianh]

This whole conversation and the conclusion from some people just blows my mind. People say they like Black Widow and Scarlet Witch and didn't like Captain Marvel or  her movie and the response is basically "they are sidekicks and you hate women"

That's really what you are going for here when someone just doesn't agree that a movie is good? racist feminist? haha ok 

A few people here took the blue pill, that is for sure

 

[Bosco685]

3 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

Don't get me wrong, I loved Wonder Woman. I just liked Captain Marvel better and thought it was a more feminist film for people who look for such things.

Of course it is okay whatever you like. But to assume Captain Marvel was more for feminist missed out on the massive female response to Wonder Woman. To include large viewing parties with ladies and their daughters to celebrate its release.

I didn't even have to look hard. Nor did I want to dig for something to drive home a social concern. It was all there, and strong as can be in impact.

 

[drotto]

Somewhat off the current topic.  On second viewing, I think Bucky knew what Cap was going to do at the end and either turned down or approved of Steve giving the shield to Sam.

[Bosco685]

1 minute ago, drotto said:

Somewhat off the current topic.  On second viewing, I think Bucky knew what Cap was going to do at the end and either turned down or approved of Steve giving the shield to Sam.

It's been noted (but buried with all the other discussions) based on his telling Cap he will miss him, and then telling Sam to go to him like he realized in advance what was going to happen.

[paperheart]

19 minutes ago, drotto said:

Somewhat off the current topic.  On second viewing, I think Bucky knew what Cap was going to do at the end and either turned down or approved of Steve giving the shield to Sam.

but not the topic of the thread

Edited May 4, 2019 by paperheart

[TupennyConan]

26 minutes ago, drotto said:

Somewhat off the current topic.  On second viewing, I think Bucky knew what Cap was going to do at the end and either turned down or approved of Steve giving the shield to Sam.

Bucky knew via anamnesis.    

He himself, Phil declared, was of the firm conviction that no one had ever invented anything. All we ever do, he said, is discover truths that have always been there, waiting to see the light of day and find their inventor.  

Emmanuel Carrere, I am Alive and You are Dead, A Journey into the Mind of Philip K

[TupennyConan]

Oh yes. the filters. How Phildickian.  

[Chillax23]

Something that has been bugging me about the movie - is the lack of Hulk actually fighting, I wanted him to throw down with Thanos. 

I get that they went professor Hulk - but I wanted that fight 😡 

don’t get me wrong Cap duel wielding his shield and Thor’s Hammer was insane - but I wanted Hulk to get his rematch. I really think it was a big miss not having it. 

That being said - some pretty epic fights: loved the 3 originals going toe to toe with thanos, loved Wanda doing her thing, loved the Captain marvel scene where he headbutts  her and she just takes it and smirks. 

Although I do wish Thanos killed Cap in battle and that his sacrifice was the rallying moment - but c’est la vie  

[drotto]

Wanda is officially the strongest character the MCU now, prove me wrong.   I am actually very happy she finally got her moment in this film, plus on of the better hear me roar lines.

We have proof.

1. She was the only character that could destroy an infinity stone solo, not using the stones to destroy themselves. 

2. She was the only character that had Thanos beaten one on one.  The only reason she "lost" was he unleashed the rain of fire which distracted (not hurt) her and gave Thanos an escape route.  While Thor, Captain America, and even Captain Marvel (yes he used a bit of power stone trickery, but honestly Thanos had taken a beating by then himself) all got beaten by him.

Edited May 5, 2019 by drotto

[comix4fun]

Saw it today with the kids. 

Theatre was engaged and enraptured throughout. 

Lots of great moments for almost every notable character which was nice. 

Audience freaked out several times, all the big character deaths AND the entrance of various characters...the return of the previously deceased heroes...and a big ovations in the theater for Captain Marvel's entrance and the gathering of female heroes to clear the way for her to try and move the gauntlet away. No one seemed to differentiate between male and female characters for their enjoyment for lack thereof of scenes. They just enjoyed what they were seeing, which was a love song written to the fans of the MCU that have gone on this 22 film, decade-long, ride with them. The fans were richly rewarded by providing the heroes that began the saga with their proper send-offs and with portents laid out for who carries this forward. 

Amazing to me that ANYONE would point to anything in this film as proof of who's stronger, better, more central, more powerful, etc....when the characters did what they did, and were portrayed the way they were portrayed, to do exactly what the Russo brothers were trying to do...which is give the original cast their send-off in the most reverential, respectful and satisfying way, while hinting at and demonstrating that the MCU has several more characters ready to pick up the mantle and carry the universe forward. 

Everything else is projection it seems, as there were clear story-telling and film continuity reasons for how each character interacted with each other character and did or did not "save the day."

Frankly, each and every one of us should consider ourselves incredibly lucky to see so much of our chosen hobby and our ardent fandom rewarded with 22 major motion pictures, carrying over a decade of our entertainment experiences, culminating in such a rich and deep spectacle that incorporated characters and moments from the first film through the last .

 

Edited May 5, 2019 by comix4fun

[comix4fun]

2 hours ago, drotto said:

Wanda is officially the strongest character the MCU now, prove me wrong.   I am actually very happy she finally got her moment in this film, plus on of the better hear me roar lines.

We have proof.

1. She was the only character that could destroy an infinity stone solo, not using the stones to destroy themselves. 

2. She was the only character that had Thanos beaten one on one.  The only reason she "lost" was he unleashed the rain of fire which distracted (not hurt) her and gave Thanos an escape route.  While Thor, Captain America, and even Captain Marvel (yes he used a bit of power stone trickery, but honestly Thanos had taken a beating by then himself) all got beaten by him.

Thanos wasn't wearing the Infinity Gauntlet when Wanda cracked him like a walnut....he WAS wearing it when facing off against Captain Marvel. 

[sagii]

..'Liked' it, didn't 'Love' it.

Infinity War was better (i knew it was an impossible act to 'top') but again, 'good' finish, just not 'great'. 

The MCU going forward will see diminishing returns if it's heading where i think it is based on some 'moments' in this movie (not sold on Capt. Marvel -sorry).

Dr. Strange 'may' have a bigger second outing due to his exposure in these last two movies. Black Panther will also be an impossible act to follow next time around, but more so on box office numbers than the story which was the hurdle for Endgame. 

That being said, if folks who have always looked down on the genre or passed because they think giant monsters are silly give Godzilla:KOTM a chance (and it delivers like i think it will), it could be force to reckoned with. 

But i'm a huge Zilla head so my opinion is biased 

[comix4fun]

Did anyone in this thread ask why Ned was still in High School 5 years later?

[drotto]

1 minute ago, comix4fun said:

Did anyone in this thread ask why Ned was still in High School 5 years later?

We are assuming he had been dusted also. Rumor has it that the Spidy movie will address the issue that same of Peter's  classmates will now be older and graduated, while many just came back and are unaged. 

[comix4fun]

Just now, drotto said:

We are assuming he had been dusted also. Rumor has it that the Spidy movie will address the issue that same of Peter's  classmates will now be older and graduated, while many just came back and are unaged. 

I asked because their reaction to seeing each other, or at least Ned's reaction, was one of "Oh My God! You're Alive...I thought you were dead all these years". But Peter, when talking to Tony said that it was, to him a moment between turning to dust and being alive again. If they both got Thanos'd in Infinity War then their age, and being in HS makes sense. If not, then we can only assume Ned dropped the ball HARD academically.  

 

[Bosco685]

2 hours ago, comix4fun said:

Did anyone in this thread ask why Ned was still in High School 5 years later?

I think a couple of times. But with so many topics, it's easy to get buried.

As was noted, it's a Far From Home supposed planned item to be addressed. But overall having half the world's population back after 5 years in an instant would be a massive challenge to address in one film. Along with all the food and relationship impacts, too.

[Bosco685]

3 hours ago, sagii said:

Dr. Strange 'may' have a bigger second outing due to his exposure in these last two movies.

This is a really good point. As in the end wasn't it Doctor Strange and his fellow socerers which allowed all the heroes to teleport to the final battle, crouch down into superhero pose ( 😀 now Deadpool should have appeared) and win the day?

Plus, he gave the signal to Tony THIS was that one winnable moment leading to his taking action at a critical time. An unsung hero with a sequel too.

[Bosco685]

 

[@therealsilvermane]

8 hours ago, sagii said:

That being said, if folks who have always looked down on the genre or passed because they think giant monsters are silly give Godzilla:KOTM a chance (and it delivers like i think it will), it could be force to reckoned with. 

Huge huge Godzilla fan here. But the American versions keep stinking it up, including the 2014 version (though it did okay at the box office). Then Japan shows the world how it's done with Shin Godzilla. That's how you do Godzilla. And the world can't get a sequel to that awesome movie until after this American sequel. I'll see it, but expectations are lowered. 

Godzilla is a metaphor for Japan and should only be a Japanese production, imo.