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It's the responsibility of conscientious collectors, buyers, sellers, and all interested parties to not buy into the fad that previews constitute "first appearances", including justifying them. And how do we, in 2019, draw these conclusions? We look at how collectors of the time frame being discussed reacted. Collectors in 1991 paid MA #97 no heed whatsoever, recognizing the book as a preview, even when Darkhawk #1 was a smoking hot $20 book....the equivalent of a new $4 comic being worth $80-$100 today, and printed in vastly higher numbers than today's comics. Add to that the fact that MA #97 says, right on the cover, that it is a "PREVIEW", and no one should reasonably be calling it a "first appearance."

There would be little confusion if knowledgeable people didn't support that idea, and instead pointed to the historical reaction to explain why. 

There's nothing wrong with liking these books, collecting them, and even paying a premium for them...but retroactively reassigning them "first appearance" status, especially when the collectors of the day never regarded them as such, especially when everyone involved, from the creators and the publisher on down, never regarded them as such, is what causes and contributes to the confusion. And, in some cases, is more than a touch dishonest, promoted by people who are attempting to convince others to buy their preview "first appearances" at that premium. If we tolerate going down these rabbit holes, then eventually, people can justly say that previews of COVERS showing characters, printed in the pages of other comics, are, in fact, the actual "first appearances." 

Attempting to redefine what does, and what does not, constitute a "first appearance" in comics is not going to end well, especially for those who got duped into it. We need less people being duped, not more.

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13 hours ago, fastballspecial said:

 

MA 97 will end up being referred to as the 1st appearance just from a lack of understanding
comic book 1st appearances.

 

In our echo chamber here, there’s some possibility of that.

I can assure you that at shows, the general collecting population hasn’t taken this view.  The long held view of what is a first appearance still rules the day.   The preview appearances are seen as what they are - cool ancillary items.

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A simple solution to the "preview" vs. "first appearance" problem would be to take the definition back to the beginning AND to reflect the actual market.

This "preview" of Action Comics #1 appeared in More Fun Comics #31

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... which established a very clear example of a "preview" which COULD be considered the first appearance.

NOW, using that fact, we can see that More Fun Comics #1 most recently sold for $1,195 for CGC 2.5 and $1,076 for CGC 3.5, for an average of $1,136 for an average grade of CGC 3.0.

The most recent sale of CGC 3.0 Action Comics #1 was $498,750.

THEREFORE...

A very clear preview of an upcoming comic/character for the most famous example of all time dictates that GIVEN THE SAME GRADE, the preview book should be 439 times CHEAPER than the actual first appearance, even though the preview occurred earlier.

If anyone claims that a preview should be more valuable than the first appearance divided by 439, they need to first correct the market for More Fun Comics #31 and Action Comics #1, then get back to us with updated numbers. 

:foryou:

This will be called the "More Fun 31 Rule" or just "Rule 31" (even though More Fun 31 is more fun to say).  Anyone proclaiming the importance/value/legitimacy of preview books/ads/articles/napkins will only need to show how their situation is more important than More Fun 31. :cloud9:

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1 hour ago, valiantman said:

A simple solution to the "preview" vs. "first appearance" problem would be to take the definition back to the beginning AND to reflect the actual market.

This "preview" of Action Comics #1 appeared in More Fun Comics #31

67447507_HouseAd-ActionComics1-MoreFunComics31-May1938-fullpage-b-edited.jpg.61c181519958e12304dbfbaa263b5b8c.jpg

... which established a very clear example of a "preview" which COULD be considered the first appearance.

NOW, using that fact, we can see that More Fun Comics #1 most recently sold for $1,195 for CGC 2.5 and $1,076 for CGC 3.5, for an average of $1,136 for an average grade of CGC 3.0.

The most recent sale of CGC 3.0 Action Comics #1 was $498,750.

THEREFORE...

A very clear preview of an upcoming comic/character for the most famous example of all time dictates that GIVEN THE SAME GRADE, the preview book should be 439 times CHEAPER than the actual first appearance, even though the preview occurred earlier.

If anyone claims that a preview should be more valuable than the first appearance divided by 439, they need to first correct the market for More Fun Comics #31 and Action Comics #1, then get back to us with updated numbers. 

:foryou:

This will be called the "More Fun 31 Rule" or just "Rule 31" (even though More Fun 31 is more fun to say).  Anyone proclaiming the importance/value/legitimacy of preview books/ads/articles/napkins will only need to show how their situation is more important than More Fun 31. :cloud9:

But it's in black and white! That doesn't count!

(Sorry, just amused by the argument about Spidey's black and white vs black and red costume over in that other thread)

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4 hours ago, valiantman said:

A simple solution to the "preview" vs. "first appearance" problem would be to take the definition back to the beginning AND to reflect the actual market.

This "preview" of Action Comics #1 appeared in More Fun Comics #31

67447507_HouseAd-ActionComics1-MoreFunComics31-May1938-fullpage-b-edited.jpg.61c181519958e12304dbfbaa263b5b8c.jpg

... which established a very clear example of a "preview" which COULD be considered the first appearance.

NOW, using that fact, we can see that More Fun Comics #1 most recently sold for $1,195 for CGC 2.5 and $1,076 for CGC 3.5, for an average of $1,136 for an average grade of CGC 3.0.

The most recent sale of CGC 3.0 Action Comics #1 was $498,750.

THEREFORE...

A very clear preview of an upcoming comic/character for the most famous example of all time dictates that GIVEN THE SAME GRADE, the preview book should be 439 times CHEAPER than the actual first appearance, even though the preview occurred earlier.

If anyone claims that a preview should be more valuable than the first appearance divided by 439, they need to first correct the market for More Fun Comics #31 and Action Comics #1, then get back to us with updated numbers. 

:foryou:

This will be called the "More Fun 31 Rule" or just "Rule 31" (even though More Fun 31 is more fun to say).  Anyone proclaiming the importance/value/legitimacy of preview books/ads/articles/napkins will only need to show how their situation is more important than More Fun 31. :cloud9:

Yes BUT there is a bump to More Fun 31 relative to other More Funs around it. Just as long as your rule reflects that I'm good with it.

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