Does this look real to you? Death of Superman page
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Real?

I have the chance to buy.

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Nothing setting off alarms to me.  It's a lot more common to fake sketches than published pages.

 

Grab a copy of the book and look at the details of the published page, should line up exactly.

That's what I did when something looked off in an old purchase, turned out there were 2 inked copies because of mail getting lost and and I had bought the unpublished version.

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1 hour ago, Pete Marino said:

Grab a copy of the book and look at the details of the published page, should line up exactly. 

Based on the notation in the last pic, the published version may have the "hope is not lost" balloon closer to the bottom margin.   Otherwise, I think it's the original art for that page.

You can also ask the inker, Doug Hazlewood.  He's on CAF:

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryDetail.asp?GCat=42533

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What's bringing on the skepticism?   Shady seller or (perceived) low cost?

If it's the seller, speak with your wallet and walk away.

If it's the cost, seems like "less than $300" would be market for this page. 

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On 6/15/2019 at 1:48 PM, mister_not_so_nice said:

What's bringing on the skepticism?   Shady seller or (perceived) low cost?

If it's the seller, speak with your wallet and walk away.

 

The perceived cost, I thought a page from this run might go for more.

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I have some framed art that will go to a collector some time and the framing cost often exceeds the fair market value of the art.  It's something to consider!  David 

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1 hour ago, aokartman said:

I have some framed art that will go to a collector some time and the framing cost often exceeds the fair market value of the art.  It's something to consider!  David 

Good point!

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4 hours ago, Carl Elvis said:

The perceived cost, I thought a page from this run might go for more around $500.

Somewhere out there @alxjhnsn's market research post is twitching, waiting to get posted in this thread  :blush:

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My instinct says it's real, if only because too much work went into it for someone to charge $300. It's also not a particularly glamorous page, even if nicely done. If you are going to commit fraud, do it for real money for something that should easily sell (Kirby? Is that a Kirby?:nyah: )

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...and if you were going to fake a Kirby, you'd probably go for a bad pin-up (as they do, because it's less time-intensive) or a cover (because $$$).

Has anyone here came across a phony multiple -panel interior page created by a fraudster? I'm guessing not many, if any at all.

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33 minutes ago, Hal Turner said:

...and if you were going to fake a Kirby, you'd probably go for a bad pin-up (as they do, because it's less time-intensive) or a cover (because $$$).

Has anyone here came across a phony multiple -panel interior page created by a fraudster? I'm guessing not many, if any at all.

I vaguely recall hearing of one, but you are right, only an insufficiently_thoughtful_person would forge a panel page 

Malvin 

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Thanks Ruben, I decided to take the chance on it, no immediate plans, thank you though.

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On 6/15/2019 at 8:08 AM, Carl Elvis said:

Real?

I have the chance to buy for less than $300.

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Sure.  I have several Superman and action pages much older than this by curt swan and paid 100-300 each for them.

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On 6/15/2019 at 8:31 PM, eewwnuk said:

Doomsday pages are rare.

Isn't every one created known to exist?

 

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Definitely real. The signature, production markings, art board and even the hand writing are in line with this book during this time period. The price of $300 is a good deal, but I don't think you need to be concerned about a fake here.

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On 6/15/2019 at 7:58 PM, mister_not_so_nice said:

Somewhere out there @alxjhnsn's market research post is twitching, waiting to get posted in this thread  :blush:

If you'd like to have some help in pricing art, you might find this useful. It's posted as a spoiler because it's long and many have seen it. Suggestions are welcome to improve it.

Spoiler

You might want to explore the following resources

  • The website Comic Art Tracker can help you find art and look at current asking prices for similar pieces.
  • The OA auction archive at Heritage Auctions – This archive presents the results from all of their OA auctions.. Once you sign-up and get an id, you can search for pieces by your artist and see what they have sold for.
  • The CAF Market Data - More auction results (more than 1,000,000) are available if you join the Comic Art Fans site, pay for Market Data access, and access eBay and other auction sites as well as Heritage.
  • The Comic Art Database. It contains transaction records entered by the owners of Comic OA.
  • Dealer sites. Dealers, generally, post their art with fixed prices though there are exceptions. There is a list of dealers on CGC OA board and the Dragonberry site has a list as well. The CAF site will search the inventories of several dealers for you. [Of course, Comic Art Tracker is better.]
  • Blouin Art Info which tracks sales at major art auctions. It can turn up some Comic OA as well. Look for the “Art Prices” item on the top right of the screen
  • Jerry Weist's Comic Art Price Guide - Heritage published a third edition of it. In my opinion, it's a good history book and might be useful for comparison work, but it was out of date a year before it was printed.
  • A topic  on the CGC OA boards, A-level panel page valuations by artist/run - thoughts/additions/changes?, holds a discussion that relates to your question. It provides some "generally agreed upon" ranges for popular runs by popular artists on popular characters.
  • The Biggest OA Prices thread tracked some of the largest sales in the OA space. While that particular thread has stopped; it's probably worth reading for the discussions. Meanwhile , the information is still being updated - just with a different mechanism.
New buyers and sellers often find that OA is too hard to price. I agree that it is difficult. However, I think that there is a valid reason. Each piece is unique. Uniqueness make art sales generally and OA specifically non-linear.

 Examples of how piece can differ in ways that impact pricing include:

  • Content: Consecutive pages could and do sell for radically different amounts based on their content. 
  • Page Layout: In general, you might say:

           Covers > 1st Page Splash > Other Splash > 1/2 splash > panel page

However, that's not always true either. The right panel page can be much more compelling than a bland splash.

  • Penciler vs. character: There are "A-list" artists, but not all of their books/characters have the same value. Kirby FF pages generally go for more than JIM/Thor pages which go for more than Cap pages (2nd run) which go for more than ...
  • Pencilers/inkers combinations - Kirby/Sinnott FF pages rank above Kirby and anyone else on FF, but a Kirby/InkerX FF page might be more or less than a Kirby/Stone Thor page. Hard to tell.

Finally, you should join the comic book OA community. The three main points of Internet contact are:

The main points of physical contact are probably:

  • Dedicated Comic Art Shows
    • Comic Art Con (Spring/Fall) - A twice yearly show originally in northern NJ, but moving to NYC. The domain seems to have lapsed, but the show owner has a page for it here.
    • NYC Comic Art Expo - Annual spring show, nothing but art people (dealers, individual sellers, and buyers) and a few local artists. Held at the Penn Hotel opposite Penn Station
    • LA Comic Art Show - Annual art show one week before SDCC to leverage the dealer’s visit to the west coast
  • Conventions with High Dealer Attendance
  • Shows with a comic artist focus
    • Heroes Comic Con - Not a lot of comic art dealers, but a huge number of artists who generally will draw and have portfolios to sell
    • Baltimore Comic Con - Similar to HeroesCon.

One last comment, if you are looking to buy or sell, spend the time to learn the market. That might take 6 months, but it's worth the time.

 

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