Lazyboy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 30 minutes ago, Black Captain said: Crowzilla, is this accurate or just a little joke? If accurate, can you provide the source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 It was a joke Joshua33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gino2paulus2 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Joshua33 said: Awesome story, with great pictures to document it! Congrats. thanks bro!!!! Joshua33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 When was the first time DC referred to Action Comics 23 as Luthor's first appearance? Anybody know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) On 7/22/2019 at 11:20 PM, Crowzilla said: Don't know if this is any help or not, but I went looking for arrivals dates on Superman #4 tonight to see what I could find and came across this one: On 7/23/2019 at 1:54 PM, Black Captain said: Crowzilla, is this accurate or just a little joke? If accurate, can you provide the source? OMG, best posting of the day. Thank you... Now if it said 9.6 copy hold till Bedrock arrives I might have believed it.... Edited July 24, 2019 by N e r V Joshua33 and Superman2006 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectron Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 11:34 PM, N e r V said: Here is a copy of Action Comics #23 with an arrival date of February 23 penciled on it. Here is a Superman #4 with an arrival date. (It looks like an arrival date to me.) Larryw7 and porcupine48 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) Action 23. OP comes across as someone who does not have an Action 23 and that ship MAY have sailed for him. He did get a Superman 4 though, so he is trying to convince others that his Superman 4 is worth more than it currently goes for to generate hype in case he wants to sell it down the road. Edited July 26, 2019 by Buzzetta Black Captain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Buzzetta said: Action 23. OP comes across as someone who does not have an Action 23 and that ship MAY have sailed for him. He did get a Superman 4 thought so he is trying to convince others that his Superman 4 is worth more than it currently goes for to generate hype in case he wants to sell it down the road. Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. One of the books was published first, and it looks like Superman 4 is that book. I'm so sick of discovering that certain hobby "knowledge" isn't based on reality, but what some dumb got wrong decades ago and was never corrected. And I'm even more sick of people defending the status quo just because it's the status quo, even though it might be, or provably is, wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, Lazyboy said: Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. One of the books was published first, and it looks like Superman 4 is that book. I'm so sick of discovering that certain hobby "knowledge" isn't based on reality, but what some dumb got wrong decades ago and was never corrected. And I'm even more sick of people defending the status quo just because it's the status quo, even though it might be, or provably is, wrong. Schtaaaaaaaaaap... If this was a modern thread... you would be saying the same thing. Action 23... I took the time to go through my archives and read the issue. Action 23 introduces Luthor. Supes 4 makes it seem like they already know one another. It's like X-Men Annual 14 and X-Men 266. X-Men Annual 14 comes out first but 266 is recognized as the first appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buzzetta said: Schtaaaaaaaaaap... If this was a modern thread... you would be saying the same thing. 4 minutes ago, Buzzetta said: Action 23... I took the time to go through my archives and read the issue. Action 23 introduces Luthor. Supes 4 makes it seem like they already know one another. Yes. That's already been addressed here. 4 minutes ago, Buzzetta said: It's like X-Men Annual 14 and X-Men 266. X-Men Annual 14 comes out first but 266 is recognized as the first appearance. Nope. But that's also been addressed here anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lazyboy said: Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. One of the books was published first, and it looks like Superman 4 is that book. I'm so sick of discovering that certain hobby "knowledge" isn't based on reality, but what some dumb got wrong decades ago and was never corrected. And I'm even more sick of people defending the status quo just because it's the status quo, even though it might be, or provably is, wrong. Actually, no. That's has not been shown by anyone, and as Gator has repeatedly stated, it likely cannot be known. And sorry, mikesamazingworld.com didn't help you with alleged publication dates. Maybe you should have read the disclaimers on the site. This isn't about what "some guy" wrote wrong 50 years ago. DC knows what they've published and they are the final word on the matter. Don't like it, take it up with them directly. You're just pizzing in the wind blubbering about it here. But I'm sure you'll keep doing what you like to do anyway, which is beating a dead and slaughtered horse. -J. Edited July 27, 2019 by Jaydogrules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) Both great books Sup first hit the stands first than Action 23. Superman 4 is undervalue Action 23 over lets ask Edited July 27, 2019 by woowoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, woowoo said: Both great books Sup first hit the stands first than Action 23. Superman 4 is undervalue Action 23 over lets ask Meh. Even BvS, as awful as it was, knew what was up. https://mobile.twitter.com/4eyedraven/status/750848669591621633 -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jaydogrules said: Actually, no. That's has not been shown by anyone, and as Gator has repeatedly stated, it likely cannot be known. And sorry, mikesamazingworld.com didn't help you with alleged publication dates. Maybe you should have read the disclaimers on the site. This isn't about what "some guy" wrote wrong 50 years ago. DC knows what they've published and they are the final word on the matter. Don't like it, take it up with them directly. You're just pizzing in the wind blubbering about it here. But I'm sure you'll keep doing what you like to do anyway, which is beating a dead and slaughtered horse. -J. I agree. Action 23 is the 1st Luthor. Edited July 27, 2019 by Buzzetta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buzzetta said: I agree. Action 23 is the 1st Luthor. Action 23 was meant to be the 1st Luthor But Superman 4 was the first time he appeared on the newsstand. Joshua33 and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, woowoo said: Action 23 was meant to be the 1st Luthor But Superman 4 was the first time he appeared on the newsstand. That's the attempted narrative. That no one can prove. So we revert to what DC says. And they have the final word. https://www.dcuniverse.com/encyclopedia/lex-luthor/ -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Jaydogrules said: Actually, no. That's has not been shown by anyone I didn't say it was definitively true, I said it looks like Superman 4 was first. 1 hour ago, Jaydogrules said: DC knows what they've published and they are the final word on the matter. Of course they are. And since they list the release date of Action 23 as March 31, 1940, Superman 4 was clearly first! 1 hour ago, Jaydogrules said: But I'm sure you'll keep doing what you like to do anyway, which is beating a dead and slaughtered horse. Pot. Kettle. You know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Jaydogrules said: That's the attempted narrative. That no one can prove. So we revert to what DC says. And they have the final word. https://www.dcuniverse.com/encyclopedia/lex-luthor/ -J. So I'll quote my post from earlier: On 7/23/2019 at 10:54 PM, Lazyboy said: When was the first time DC referred to Action Comics 23 as Luthor's first appearance? Anybody know? Anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 35 minutes ago, Jaydogrules said: That's the attempted narrative. That no one can prove. So we revert to what DC says. And they have the final word. https://www.dcuniverse.com/encyclopedia/lex-luthor/ -J. DC don't know any more than we do. DC now is not the DC it was in 1940. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 11:54 PM, Lazyboy said: When was the first time DC referred to Action Comics 23 as Luthor's first appearance? Anybody know? I’m not sure anyone outside of DC can confirm that? It’s not like they posted to their website back then I’m guessing the general series of events was back in the 40s or 50s or 60s or even 70s someone (overstreet, brown, etc) read the issues and with no real way to research (or even care which issue hit the stands first by a day or week or month or whatever) determined that the stories clearly unfolded Luther was intro’d in action 23 and then the recognized Luther story in Superman 4. Back then the known release dates would have loosely coincided that they were on the newsstands at the “same” time (talking the month released) and that’s how the narrative was born and have lived ever since. Superman2006 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
